Fri, Aug. 3rd, 2007, 08:15 pm
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p-zeitgeist.livejournal.com: Friday, August 3, 2007
It's not a slow news day, but then, you knew that. Thirty-four links behind the cuts.
ETA: Thirty-two now, because of subsequent flocks and deletions.
ETA: Thirty-two now, because of subsequent flocks and deletions.
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shaggirl: Fandom: Undesirable Number One - Word is getting out that Live Journal just suspended two Harry Potter artists, elaboration and ponderosa121, presumably for "questionable content" in their artwork. Elaboration's journal was completely flocked. -- blue_soaring: WHERE DID MY EVIL TWIN GO!? - she's not strkethrough'ed, just... de-LJ'd (ponderosa121), but she's very definitely suspended.
//Apparently, she's been suspended over a drawing posted on pornish_pixies cited to contain "minors in explicit sexual situations. - - imaginarycircus: [in innocence_jihad] Christ on a Cracker - LJ/6A strikes again - HP fandom artists are being suspended. No confirmation as to why - but we are guessing it is the new LJ abuse policies? -
- amireal: LJ/6A - Before we all panic, and I'm not saying it's not a good idea to keep an ear out--//I'm seeing two different stories. First that it was the underage aspect. But I've found at least two people saying it was Warner Bros that actually complained. -
- Ponderosa121 : [on GreatestJournal] Ancient icon, oddly appropriate! - I am considering taking my toys and making my own sandbox. And by that I mean using the open source version of LJ and my anarchist sensibilities to start up a fan-friendly journalling space with the goals of making sure that your information is yours as o -
- fauxglass: [on GreatestJournal] Wow. - ...there's the notice from LJ abuse (as well as a dozen concerned notes from friends) , with happy tidings of Permanent Suspension....No where in the post ...are the characters ages mentioned, and I certainly never suggested that they are underage. -
- xylodemon: 6A -- causing separation anxiety since 2007 - I could move house. That doesn't mean I want to. //Here and now, I've got something I don't have anywhere else: friends. Here and now, I'm a member of a community. For me, fandom isn't all about the fic and art and meta and whatnot. -
- boji: The cyber dance of the seven veils - If in the near future fandom and fanfic are hounded while sites like Nifty and Asstr.org are left well enough alone, it will lead me to believe that this was just as much about copyright infringement as about porn. -
- morganmuffle: So I wasn't going to post about this aga - The reason I can't get angry at LJ/6A is probably because I can see what a crappy position they're in, and I think there are places my anger is being diverted to, which doesn't mean I like what they're doing. I really really don't. -
- ladysorka: *headdesks*So, LJ is apparently deleting - I wish LJ would just flat-out tell us they wanted us gone. Then we could actually just leave. -
- onelittlesleep: Fandom Migration Poll: Other Options - There are several options for off-lj journaling tools. We should have a consensus to which people prefer. Please leave in the comments practical reasons why you prefer this tool above others -
- bubble_blunder: And here we go again.... - I am convinced that this is just the beginning. Either LJ/6A have decided that we aren't welcome here and want to force us out as quietly as possible to avoid bad press, or[...]they figure that they can do whatever they like cos we will never leave. -
- stewardess: Ponderosa Is The Latest Victim of 6A's Greed-driven Pedophile Hysteria - The Abuse Team member who notified ponderosa121 of her suspension? Scott, the same Scott who informed me my 14-year-old Sam getting jacked off by his 18-year-old brother Dean story is "not in violation of the LiveJournal Terms of Service." -
- florahart: FINE. How do we move without losing our community? - I'm thinking maybe we can use things like comms and fests that already exist here to help ourselves orient elsewhere, by perhaps using LJ mainly to link offsite. -
- morgandawn: LJ Taking The Delete Key To The Next Level - this should be obvious, but when LJ deletes your account, not only is your LJ gone, but any post you ever made anywhere (along with any comments etc). -
- xanphibian: WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK FUCK FUCK - This is, according to them, about children. Except the piece of art they cite as the reason ponderosa121 was suspended HAS NO CHILDREN IN IT -
- kangeiko: Lesson the First - Fool me once... - I AM CALLING FOR 6A/LJ TO OFFER THE 'REFUND' OPTION TO ALL PAID AND PERMANENT ACCOUNT HOLDERS THAT WANT TO LEAVE AS A RESULT OF THIS LATEST RUN-AROUND. -
- mamadeb: Oh, dear. Not again. - As for those moving - why? Do you really think that the other social interactive sites are immune? Do you really think that Warner Brothers/Scholastic won't contact GJ or IJ or whoever with the same demands? -
- musesfool: here comes your nineteenth nervous breakdown - I don't like to be treated badly by companies I give money to for service. Sometimes *cough*TimeWarnerCable*cough* I don't have much choice because they have a near monopoly in my area. But here I do have a choice, and eventually, I'm going to exercise it -
- elynross: About the latest LJ suspensions/deletions - I think that synecodochic's post is extremely relevant, in that it points out that what we, as fans, may know or presume or intend is not necessarily going to carry across outside the fannish context, and isn't necessarily going to carry across that conte -
- liz_marcs: And So It Begins...Again. (The new 6A/LJ journal deletions) - People were calling me (and others like me) hysterical drama queens after the dust of the Great LJ Strikeout of 2007 settled and we were still bitching.[...]Sheeyah. Right. I told you so. -
- atrata: [in fandom_flies] For a variety of reasons, I think it is - For a variety of reasons, I think it is time to start talking very seriously about fandom's exodus from LJ. This is a discussion predicated on the fact that many of us feel that the time has come to leave, but we have concerns about doing so. -
- elke_tanzer: Boldthrough07, aka Dammit, LJ/6A, What The Hell Are You Thinking? - The essential roundup of links to discussions, refugee sites, backup strategies, discussions, on the Crisis of the Day -
- amireal: It's like we speak a different language. - I've been mulling over the whole d_d affair and thinking about my own feelings on the subject.//This is the first race debate I felt like I understood more than the basic principle. -
- fashes: Clarity makes the world go round - Yes being in fandom means having to deal with a certain amount of wank. And let's face it. Harry Potter always winz at wank.[...]//But wank stops becoming wank when its made of legitimate concerns. -
- pfeffermuse: Fandom: Who Am I in an Anonymous World? - We'd all like to believe the best about ourselves, but what if I'm not at my best? If words are the only thing by which you can judge me, how do I know if what I'm saying isn't somehow tainted by something I'm not even aware of? How do you know me? How do -
- princessofg: white liberal flailing, "ghetto passes," Teal'c - Writing about Sateda or Athos or the Jaffa as themselves is hard enough. Writing while thinking about how what we are saying looks when held up against USA or Western culture? Now, that's really hard, to be that aware and to have transcended your own pers -
- teaphile: Fans and fandom: two different things - Dear Fandom,When you're talking about a show that's a mainstream hit--like House or Heroes--you have to understand that online fandom does not represent the majority of fans -
- baffled_fandom: Babbbling about Authorial intent - I am firmly, firmly of the opinion that the minute a text (text in this usage meaning source material) becomes available to me in it's finished form then the author's opinions are no more valid than the average internet Joe's. -
- danamaree: i don't hate americans, I just find them challenging at times - I ask a question, have you found yourself assuming that a person you've come across on a forum, whether it be on LJ or anywhere else is by default American? I have. Because english speaking fandom, and non-English fandom is dominated by American fans. -
- deirdre_c: Adventures of a Vidding Neophyte - I just posted my first fanvid on Monday. And I had some thinky (heh. I accidentally typed 'kinky') thoughts about the whole experience of jumping into a brand new medium just four short weeks ago. -
- icarusancalion: Very Basic Growth Rate Stats: Stargate Atlantis and other fandoms. - We can use fanfiction as a benchmark for how popular the Stargate Atlantis fandom is compared to other fandoms. My statistics are taken from fanfiction.net, the largest fanfiction online archive -
Fri, Aug. 3rd, 2007, 08:28 pm
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thelana.livejournal.com
(I actually wrote a bit about author trust (http://thelana.livejournal.com/417410.html) and morally suspect kinks (http://thelana.livejournal.com/417246.html) too)
Fri, Aug. 3rd, 2007, 09:47 pm
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ladypeyton.livejournal.com
Fri, Aug. 3rd, 2007, 09:57 pm
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p-zeitgeist.livejournal.com
We at Metafandom Central spent a good portion of the day discussing that very point. Unfortunately, since
Plus, now we have your handy direct link, here at the bottom of the page where it should be clearly visible.
Sat, Aug. 4th, 2007, 05:19 am
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inalasahl
Sat, Aug. 4th, 2007, 04:21 pm
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p-zeitgeist.livejournal.com
And it's only going to get worse. Are you beginning to hear that drumbeat in your head? Because I am. We few, we happy few, we band of sisters . . . Or no, I think I need that line from The Dark Is Rising, which I don't have here and am about to misquote: "'This night will be bad. And tomorrow will be beyond imagining . . .'"
I can't believe you had to drive all night on top of all this. You are a heroine of the Revolution, and I am proud to know you. {{hugs}} right back atcha.
Sun, Aug. 5th, 2007, 02:49 pm
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inalasahl
Aw. And I you.
Mon, Aug. 6th, 2007, 04:57 pm
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ilyena_sylph
Tue, Aug. 7th, 2007, 01:57 am
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p-zeitgeist.livejournal.com
Fri, Aug. 3rd, 2007, 10:35 pm
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tacky-tramp.livejournal.com
Sat, Aug. 4th, 2007, 12:04 am
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p-zeitgeist.livejournal.com
Fri, Aug. 3rd, 2007, 11:46 pm
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jennem.livejournal.com
Sat, Aug. 4th, 2007, 12:00 am
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p-zeitgeist.livejournal.com
For the time being, at least, that's still the policy -- we're not linking to off-LJ discussion except in extraordinary circumstances. It's just ugly happenstance that we had two such sets of extraordinary circumstances in the space of the past couple of weeks.
Given the way the landscape is changing, I wouldn't want to assert that the policy is set in stone and will never be reviewed. But as of this moment, there are no plans to change it.
And if it ever should change, we will of course be desperately grateful to have relevant links brought to our attention. It's a big, big world out there, and it's tough enough trying to just cover LJ.
Sat, Aug. 4th, 2007, 12:04 am
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jennem.livejournal.com
Of course, this would require more fandom-assistance, since it is a great big wide internet world out there. :) But, given all the craziness with people going every which way, I would like to see the policy changed, with the understanding that fandom would have to help all of you out even more. :)
Sat, Aug. 4th, 2007, 01:56 am
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vangirl
Related to boldthrough, but it's an interesting read about how kneejerk lockdowns hurt lurkers.
Sat, Aug. 4th, 2007, 02:51 am
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kudra2324.livejournal.com
Sat, Aug. 4th, 2007, 03:15 am
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kalpurna.livejournal.com
Sat, Aug. 4th, 2007, 03:43 am
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umbo.livejournal.com
Sat, Aug. 4th, 2007, 02:01 pm
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verstehen.livejournal.com
Sat, Aug. 4th, 2007, 04:09 pm
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sea0tter12.livejournal.com
http://sea0tter12.livejournal.com/122829.html
Sat, Aug. 4th, 2007, 04:16 pm
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jelynne.livejournal.com
Sat, Aug. 4th, 2007, 04:57 pm
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Sat, Aug. 4th, 2007, 06:09 pm
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vichan.livejournal.com
Sat, Aug. 4th, 2007, 11:44 pm
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p-zeitgeist.livejournal.com
Sat, Aug. 4th, 2007, 06:24 pm
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lavendertook.livejournal.com
Sat, Aug. 4th, 2007, 07:59 pm
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erestor.livejournal.com
It's not about the kids, it's about us. (http://erestor.livejournal.com/402760.html)
I'd also like to point out the excellent, exellent post by
Sat, Aug. 4th, 2007, 11:52 pm
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p-zeitgeist.livejournal.com
Sat, Aug. 4th, 2007, 09:54 pm
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miriammoules.livejournal.com
A very sensible post on the whole bolded saga.
Sun, Aug. 5th, 2007, 02:49 am
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froganon.livejournal.com: censorship
From a fanfic'er came in via strikethru07:
http://sapphoq.livejournal.com/34669.html
Sun, Aug. 5th, 2007, 03:10 am
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ignazwisdom.livejournal.com
About mods deciding to lock and/or delete all adult-rated fanfiction in their communities in response to the current brouhaha, and how that's going to hurt small fandoms.
Sun, Aug. 5th, 2007, 04:49 am
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elf
It's been... interesting... trying to communicate with people who (1) just don't "get" fandom, and (2) have no idea why anyone would defend "those perverts." And, of course, several of them have unclear ideas about the laws involved. But they do mention that it's not so much about laws as "that is just WRONG. Eww. I don't want to hear any defense of it."
Please, don't swarm him/them with defenses of slash or whatever. But fen should occasionally see what we look like to intelligent, articulate non-fen.
Sun, Aug. 5th, 2007, 10:44 am
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Sun, Aug. 5th, 2007, 11:05 pm
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inalasahl
Mon, Aug. 6th, 2007, 01:57 pm
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bad-wolf-bitch.livejournal.com
You are going to love Burr86's explanations here.
Tue, Aug. 7th, 2007, 01:53 am
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p-zeitgeist.livejournal.com
Thanks for the heads-up! Should I be afraid to look?
Tue, Aug. 7th, 2007, 01:30 am
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ladynorbert.livejournal.com
http://valleywag.com/tech/brad-fitzpatrick/livejournal-creator-leaves-as-six-apart-fails-to-spin-286218.php
Tue, Aug. 7th, 2007, 01:52 am
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