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January 28th, 2010
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jerico_cacaw: [365days: Day 23] It's a woman ... - And I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I think the being uncomfortable while reading female characters involved in sex relates to me being able to conceptually self-identify with the female body while feeling alien to the responses/behavior as portrayed in the fic/movie/book -
- kookiety: Can't Buy My LoveI do not always like the fictional women.
Political correctness or sense of obligation, bonds of sisterhood, whatever it is - let me fling it out of the window - I do not like all the women in fiction.
- inmyriadbits: whoops that got long and thinky about women and stories. Plus meme - IMO, there's no good reason not to write female characters, and lots of valid reasons in favor of the practice. If you do look at yourself and see that you don't, I think it's worth your while to try to figure out why. If you look around and see others not writing, try to understand that, too, rather than attacking them for it. -
- bana05: Black Women, Slash, Fandom, and Canon (Long Meta Is Long) - But ultimately, there is a very present insistence that these women "know their place", and the assumption of these specific subsets of slashers is their "place" is not significant to the narrative, let alone with one of the male leads. -
- brightfame: We are the stories we tell ... and read - I do wonder whether certain stories are more palatable to some cultures and subcultures than others, and whether the reasons behind that are benign, neutral, or pernicious. Examination of one's literary tastes, both as an individual and as a part of a community, is never a bad thing. -
- freifraufischer: Slash and Women and Metafandom Discussions - I rather firmly believe that slash, on a meta not an individual level, is anti-gay. -
- meri_sefket: A Very Vague Post About Fandom* - One thing I have noticed that seems different to me in this reiteration of the discussion is how many more people this time are stepping up and saying things like "I read/write/vid/create/meta about slash and gen and femslash and het and poly (or of combos of those genres), speaking up for those of us who read across genres and like each for different (or the same) reasons. -
- merrykk: Female Space and fandom - I'm not hearing the same words - When it comes to contributing to fandom, this worldview can show up in fairly non-flashy ways. When I write stories that focus on male characters, there is obviously an underlying respect for women, but both as individuals and for the entire gender as belonging to the world. That men alone would be a kind of appropriation, ignoring the default setting on the world. -
- miera_c: What does heteronormativity mean to you? - A lot of people are slinging the word "heteronormative" around these days, but are we all meaning the same thing when we say it? -
- magpyr: Half-baked thoughts on the male slash debate - Can't we ditch the m/m debate everybody's so sick of, and talk about the serious lack of femslash in any fandom but The L Word? Why is it so easy for people to see "queer subtext" in a work concerning straight male characters, but not females? Can we look at what is not being written? Gay women, asexuals, genderqueer people,... where the hell are they? -
- tigresslilly: A Few Questions I Haven't Seen Asked or Answered - Are threesomes considered slash and sometimes m/m or f/f? Does it matter is while the relationship is clearly between three people, there are sometimes scenes between just two of the three characters? Does a mixed gender threesome vs a single gender threesome make a difference? Are there things that are acceptable in a duo that make you cringed when worked into a trio? -
- the_jackalope: Rage - Yes, there are shows that don't do females well, but there are so many that do, and so many, many, many awesome female characters out there. -
- acrimonyastraea: Why do women [fill in the blank] - I love reading some meta, and I love analysis along the lines of gender and orientation and feminism... pretty much all the elements of the latest discussions of women writing slash. -
01:32 am
fairestcat: Wednesday, January 27, 2010
- jerico_cacaw: [365days: Day 23] It's a woman ... - And I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I think the being uncomfortable while reading female characters involved in sex relates to me being able to conceptually self-identify with the female body while feeling alien to the responses/behavior as portrayed in the fic/movie/book -
- kookiety: Can't Buy My Love - I do not always like the fictional women.
Political correctness or sense of obligation, bonds of sisterhood, whatever it is - let me fling it out of the window - I do not like all the women in fiction.
- inmyriadbits: whoops that got long and thinky about women and stories. Plus meme - IMO, there's no good reason not to write female characters, and lots of valid reasons in favor of the practice. If you do look at yourself and see that you don't, I think it's worth your while to try to figure out why. If you look around and see others not writing, try to understand that, too, rather than attacking them for it. -
- bana05: Black Women, Slash, Fandom, and Canon (Long Meta Is Long) - But ultimately, there is a very present insistence that these women "know their place", and the assumption of these specific subsets of slashers is their "place" is not significant to the narrative, let alone with one of the male leads. -
- brightfame: brightfame: We are the stories we tell ... and read - I do wonder whether certain stories are more palatable to some cultures and subcultures than others, and whether the reasons behind that are benign, neutral, or pernicious. Examination of one's literary tastes, both as an individual and as a part of a community, is never a bad thing. -
- freifraufischer: Slash and Women and Metafandom Discussions - I rather firmly believe that slash, on a meta not an individual level, is anti-gay. -
- meri_sefket: A Very Vague Post About Fandom* - One thing I have noticed that seems different to me in this reiteration of the discussion is how many more people this time are stepping up and saying things like "I read/write/vid/create/meta about slash and gen and femslash and het and poly (or of combos of those genres), speaking up for those of us who read across genres and like each for different (or the same) reasons. -
- merrykk: Female Space and fandom - I'm not hearing the same words - When it comes to contributing to fandom, this worldview can show up in fairly non-flashy ways. When I write stories that focus on male characters, there is obviously an underlying respect for women, but both as individuals and for the entire gender as belonging to the world. That men alone would be a kind of appropriation, ignoring the default setting on the world. -
- miera_c: What does heteronormativity mean to you? - A lot of people are slinging the word "heteronormative" around these days, but are we all meaning the same thing when we say it? -
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magpyr: Half-baked thoughts on the male slash debate - Can't we ditch the m/m debate everybody's so sick of, and talk about the serious lack of femslash in any fandom but The L Word? Why is it so easy for people to see "queer subtext" in a work concerning straight male characters, but not females? Can we look at what is not being written? Gay women, asexuals, genderqueer people,... where the hell are they? -
- tigresslilly: A Few Questions I Haven't Seen Asked or Answered - Are threesomes considered slash and sometimes m/m or f/f? Does it matter is while the relationship is clearly between three people, there are sometimes scenes between just two of the three characters? Does a mixed gender threesome vs a single gender threesome make a difference? Are there things that are acceptable in a duo that make you cringed when worked into a trio? -
- the_jackalope: Rage - Yes, there are shows that don't do females well, but there are so many that do, and so many, many, many awesome female characters out there. -
- acrimonyastraea: Why do women [fill in the blank] - I love reading some meta, and I love analysis along the lines of gender and orientation and feminism... pretty much all the elements of the latest discussions of women writing slash. -
07:33 pm
- The Acrimonious One - Part 1 There aren't enough interesting women to write about - These female characters are often presented in a way that women are expected to identify with, and they are often limited to the role of support of the male lead and they often embody sexist stereotypes. Some examples, so I'm not just generalizing: Rinoa (Final Fantasy 8); Elizabeth (Pirates of the Caribbean); Aeris (Final Fantasy 7); Kate (Lost). All of these characters have some good characteristics, but many women legitimately feel resentful and uncomfortable with the expectations of women that the characters perpetuate. That this resentment is expressed with misogyny against the characters as women is a troubling product of our misogynist culture, but I don't think the solution is to expect all women to embrace these characters as totally awesome. -
- phoebe_zeitgeist: Inquiring minds want to know. - My reaction to the current round of discussion about writers' responsibilities to those who are or might be harmed by unexamined privilege expressed in the writers' work has been, roughly: -
- calicokat: I've been trying to figure out if I have - I'm not trying to brag. Rather, I'm saying you can love female characters, write female characters, follow female characters and be passionate about female characters and still write, read, enjoy and adore slash. These things are not mutually exclusive. -
- meri_sefket: One Fan's Experience - I thought I'd start share my own history in fandom because maybe my own story can show the myriad ways in which I failed, recognized that fail, moved on, and expanded my fannish experience. -
- freifraufischer: Femslash and the Lesbian Experience. Or rather my lesbian experiance. - The long and the short of it is that in my almost twenty years in fandom I have run across very few slash stories that were written by gay men, or had any relation to LGBT culture as I have experianced it for the last fifteen years. While I am willing to concede that the queer community is not one subculture, but several, there complete absence of any elements of gay male culture that I am familiar with leads me to believe that slash is almost excursively the domain of straight female authors. -
- tielan: on snowflakes and snowdrifts - You can make choices for perfectly good, utterly rational, and totally unique reasons, and still be part of a bigger problem. -
07:33 pm
amireal: January 28, 2010
- The Acrimonious One - Part 1 There aren't enough interesting women to write about - These female characters are often presented in a way that women are expected to identify with, and they are often limited to the role of support of the male lead and they often embody sexist stereotypes. Some examples, so I'm not just generalizing: Rinoa (Final Fantasy 8); Elizabeth (Pirates of the Caribbean); Aeris (Final Fantasy 7); Kate (Lost). All of these characters have some good characteristics, but many women legitimately feel resentful and uncomfortable with the expectations of women that the characters perpetuate. That this resentment is expressed with misogyny against the characters as women is a troubling product of our misogynist culture, but I don't think the solution is to expect all women to embrace these characters as totally awesome. -
- phoebe_zeitgeist: Inquiring minds want to know. - My reaction to the current round of discussion about writers' responsibilities to those who are or might be harmed by unexamined privilege expressed in the writers' work has been, roughly: -
- calicokat: I've been trying to figure out if I have - I'm not trying to brag. Rather, I'm saying you can love female characters, write female characters, follow female characters and be passionate about female characters and still write, read, enjoy and adore slash. These things are not mutually exclusive. -
- meri_sefket: One Fan's Experience - I thought I'd start share my own history in fandom because maybe my own story can show the myriad ways in which I failed, recognized that fail, moved on, and expanded my fannish experience. -
- freifraufischer: Femslash and the Lesbian Experience. Or rather my lesbian experience. - The long and the short of it is that in my almost twenty years in fandom I have run across very few slash stories that were written by gay men, or had any relation to LGBT culture as I have experianced it for the last fifteen years. While I am willing to concede that the queer community is not one subculture, but several, there complete absence of any elements of gay male culture that I am familiar with leads me to believe that slash is almost excursively the domain of straight female authors. -
- tielan: on snowflakes and snowdrifts - You can make choices for perfectly good, utterly rational, and totally unique reasons, and still be part of a bigger problem. -
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