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ladysorka 2005-06-02: ladysorka:: You know, whenever I see a post that asks "Why I like slash" or "Why women write slash", I never, ever see my reason given. And, honestly, you'd think it was the easiest answer to find and defend. And that answer would be: "I read/write slash for the exact same reasons I read/write het and femslash. Because playing with relationships is fun."
scribbling_elf 2005-06-04: scribbling_elf: Het/slash: I wonder how many het writers feel somehow embattled or disenfranchised, that they aren't taken as seriously, that slash is always going to be seen as more interesting, more daring, more sexy. And the why slash/why het debates keep going on until a lot of people are sick of them...what I'm thinking about here isn't so much why you read slash or het as about what your perception of the situation is. How do you perceive your own chunk of fandom, and how do you perceive the other guys/gals? Do you feel slash writers have it better than het writers or vice versa, and why?
aleathiel 2005-05-29: aleathiel:: I've been thinking, since Ani asked me what it was I liked about writing threesomes, quite what the appeal was to me. I've only just successfully pinned it down.
oselle 2005-05-31: oselle:: I've been informed that I'm being "watched" for what is called "abnormal actions or expressions" and not just me, but fandom in general. I've also been informed that "behavior in fandom does have consequences." Is this it? Is this what we've come down to? Why, whenever any group of people gets together, does some small part of that group feel the need to appoint themselves the police, the judges of what is "abnormal," the enforcers of conformity? Is this just human nature?
peasant_ 2005-06-03: peasant_: Don't eat your young: If you can't think of something nice to say about a new writer, don't say anything.
For Christ's sake I would have thought that was so obvious it never needed pointing out. Every single story has some merit somewhere if you look, so if you read enough of it to consider yourself competent to remark on the faults then take the time to find the merits as well. And if you can't then don't feedback them at all.
bettyswollocs 2005-06-02: bettyswollocs: The Alternative Femslash Fandom Awards: Compiled purely by me, and voted on by absolutely no members of the public, these results are of course, meant purely in jest. Your input is saluted. Feel free to add new categories, correct judgements or add alternative explanations in comment to this post. Although I am by no means new to the art of fannishness, I cannot honestly claim a comprehensive knowledge of femslash. Many fandoms will not be represented here due to my own lack or exploration within them, feel free to correct that as well in your commentary.
minisoo 2005-06-03: minisinoo: Death, Genres, and Sacred Cows [SPOILERS FOR X3]: We all have sacred cows in our fandoms, I think -- those things that drew us to the source material in the first place, got us excited, and made us keep coming back (to write fanfic, create icons and images ...). Of course, my sacred cows aren't going to be the same ones that other fans have. In fact, my sacred cows are someone else's sacrificial animals. ;> And the reverse.
hearsawho 2005-06-03: hearsawho: Musings at 2:30 AM.: Some writers will argue that providing too much information threatens the integrity of the story, and... while I try my hardest to respect everyone's feelings about their work, I can't help but feel that's just a little silly.
beren_writes 2005-06-03: beren_writes: R vs NC-17: Then to make an R version from the NC-17 I do the following:
1)Take out any reference to peg A in slot B - i.e. no explicit body parts.
2)Take out any reference to bodily fluids.
3)Read through and partially rewrite anything that strikes me (in a hand wavy sort of way) to be a little on the hard side. Sometimes this is only a matter of changing the odd word, sometimes I have to edit out whole paragraphs.
For other writers out there who do this, how do you go about it?
musesfool 2005-06-03: musesfool: "It is said that Alexander was never defeated except by Hephaistion's thighs.": One of the things I find fascinating in relationships is the difference in perceived power v. actual power, or probably, more accurately, the way public power is privately, and *willingly*, repudiated – everyone wants Sirius, but Sirius wants only Remus; alternately, Alexander is certainly the king, but Hephaistion owns his soul, and doesn’t use it against him (at least in fiction*).
minim_calibre 2005-06-04: minim_calibre: [Fandom] Snips and snails and puppy dog tails... let': So, a while back (and I'm too lazy to dig up the link), I asked people what they liked about the female characters they liked. In the interest of gender equality, I'm going to ask the same question now about the opposite sex: which male characters do you like, and why? What makes a guy ping and sing for you? Are there male characters you've been shocked that you like?
maeglinyedi 2005-06-05: maeglinyedi: Miniature rant: non-native English speakers in this fandom: But I will disagree that being a non-native English speaker should keep anyone from making an English post in their own lj or participating in a discussion.
reenka 2005-06-04: reenka: author over character, and how to pick one: a conundrum: Well. That is the question, I think: in a given fanfic, do your goals and biases as the writer (and in a more meta sense, a reader) dictate how the characters act & react, or do the characters themselves (no matter what your interpretation of them) dictate those biases and generate the direction and flow of the story?
biichan 2005-06-04: biichan: What I Want Out Of Fanfic: A Declaration To The Masses: I want to see tops and I want to see bottoms. I want to see people who have a favourite place position in the fucking and I want to see them revel in it. I want to see size queens and bears and pretty little whispy boys and I want to see those boys dominate the hell out of the big burly guys on top of them. I want to see butches and I want to see femmes and I do believe people, yes I do believe, that there is a way to write this that does not contradict the characters.
aubrem 2005-06-04: aubrem: The HP Slash City-State: Now that I've been in fandom for two years (much of that anonymously, but still) I'm beginning to see that it resembles an entire functioning society: a City-State, if you will. I suppose because human beings are social creatures we naturally form complex social organizations. We have our commerce: fanfiction and fanart. We have our academics: the meta specialists. We have our public infrastructure: the archives, the rec lists, the assembled resources and the lj communities
zebra363 2005-06-05: zebra363: Reacting to death stories: My No. 1 reason for reading slash is to get more of an emotional charge than my real life usually provides. The more emotional intensity a story contains, the more I like it. That usually comes from the depth of the characters' feelings for each other in life, but it can also come from their sense of loss at losing one another.
ajhalluk 2005-06-05: ajhalluk:: Spinning off from the impact of the Laws of Narrative Causality on the readers, I was also pondering their impact on the characters. I mean, why is it always assumed that the characters can be in total ignorance of dramatic tropes that are powerful enough to bend history to fit their shape?
Fandom Specific
killabeez 2005-06-05: killabeez: Dead Zone: I remember watching "Descent" the first time it aired, and thinking for the first time that Johnny/Walt had some real possibilities. Up till then, I was so Johnny/Bruce that I barely noticed any other characters. The setup just couldn't be more slashy or fanficcy.
lykaios [HP] 2005-06-02: lykaios: watch the p'licemen and the taxman miss me.: Lately I've been wondering about people who are sensitive to the portrayal of Slytherin. Not fandom's portrayal, but canon's. People who say Slytherin has a bad rap who also believe the house completely lives up to that reputation. When I read something like that I think, Er, what do you know that Rowling doesn't?
phoenixwriter [HP] 2005-06-02: phoenixwriter: About "feminism" and "equality" or how a anti-"feministic" ship still can claim there is equality..: There must be a reason for that. The Weasleys aren't rich, so they could use some extra money with Molly working but she don't. Arthur is the one who works, who got a job. Either she don't wants to work, or Arthur don't want that she works. Either way that’s not equal nor is that feministic.
ladysorka 2005-06-02: ladysorka:: You know, whenever I see a post that asks "Why I like slash" or "Why women write slash", I never, ever see my reason given. And, honestly, you'd think it was the easiest answer to find and defend. And that answer would be: "I read/write slash for the exact same reasons I read/write het and femslash. Because playing with relationships is fun."scribbling_elf 2005-06-04: scribbling_elf: Het/slash: I wonder how many het writers feel somehow embattled or disenfranchised, that they aren't taken as seriously, that slash is always going to be seen as more interesting, more daring, more sexy. And the why slash/why het debates keep going on until a lot of people are sick of them...what I'm thinking about here isn't so much why you read slash or het as about what your perception of the situation is. How do you perceive your own chunk of fandom, and how do you perceive the other guys/gals? Do you feel slash writers have it better than het writers or vice versa, and why?aleathiel 2005-05-29: aleathiel:: I've been thinking, since Ani asked me what it was I liked about writing threesomes, quite what the appeal was to me. I've only just successfully pinned it down.oselle 2005-05-31: oselle:: I've been informed that I'm being "watched" for what is called "abnormal actions or expressions" and not just me, but fandom in general. I've also been informed that "behavior in fandom does have consequences." Is this it? Is this what we've come down to? Why, whenever any group of people gets together, does some small part of that group feel the need to appoint themselves the police, the judges of what is "abnormal," the enforcers of conformity? Is this just human nature?peasant_ 2005-06-03: peasant_: Don't eat your young: If you can't think of something nice to say about a new writer, don't say anything.For Christ's sake I would have thought that was so obvious it never needed pointing out. Every single story has some merit somewhere if you look, so if you read enough of it to consider yourself competent to remark on the faults then take the time to find the merits as well. And if you can't then don't feedback them at all.
bettyswollocs 2005-06-02: bettyswollocs: The Alternative Femslash Fandom Awards: Compiled purely by me, and voted on by absolutely no members of the public, these results are of course, meant purely in jest. Your input is saluted. Feel free to add new categories, correct judgements or add alternative explanations in comment to this post. Although I am by no means new to the art of fannishness, I cannot honestly claim a comprehensive knowledge of femslash. Many fandoms will not be represented here due to my own lack or exploration within them, feel free to correct that as well in your commentary.minisoo 2005-06-03: minisinoo: Death, Genres, and Sacred Cows [SPOILERS FOR X3]: We all have sacred cows in our fandoms, I think -- those things that drew us to the source material in the first place, got us excited, and made us keep coming back (to write fanfic, create icons and images ...). Of course, my sacred cows aren't going to be the same ones that other fans have. In fact, my sacred cows are someone else's sacrificial animals. ;> And the reverse.hearsawho 2005-06-03: hearsawho: Musings at 2:30 AM.: Some writers will argue that providing too much information threatens the integrity of the story, and... while I try my hardest to respect everyone's feelings about their work, I can't help but feel that's just a little silly.beren_writes 2005-06-03: beren_writes: R vs NC-17: Then to make an R version from the NC-17 I do the following:1)Take out any reference to peg A in slot B - i.e. no explicit body parts.
2)Take out any reference to bodily fluids.
3)Read through and partially rewrite anything that strikes me (in a hand wavy sort of way) to be a little on the hard side. Sometimes this is only a matter of changing the odd word, sometimes I have to edit out whole paragraphs.
For other writers out there who do this, how do you go about it?
musesfool 2005-06-03: musesfool: "It is said that Alexander was never defeated except by Hephaistion's thighs.": One of the things I find fascinating in relationships is the difference in perceived power v. actual power, or probably, more accurately, the way public power is privately, and *willingly*, repudiated – everyone wants Sirius, but Sirius wants only Remus; alternately, Alexander is certainly the king, but Hephaistion owns his soul, and doesn’t use it against him (at least in fiction*).minim_calibre 2005-06-04: minim_calibre: [Fandom] Snips and snails and puppy dog tails... let': So, a while back (and I'm too lazy to dig up the link), I asked people what they liked about the female characters they liked. In the interest of gender equality, I'm going to ask the same question now about the opposite sex: which male characters do you like, and why? What makes a guy ping and sing for you? Are there male characters you've been shocked that you like?maeglinyedi 2005-06-05: maeglinyedi: Miniature rant: non-native English speakers in this fandom: But I will disagree that being a non-native English speaker should keep anyone from making an English post in their own lj or participating in a discussion.reenka 2005-06-04: reenka: author over character, and how to pick one: a conundrum: Well. That is the question, I think: in a given fanfic, do your goals and biases as the writer (and in a more meta sense, a reader) dictate how the characters act & react, or do the characters themselves (no matter what your interpretation of them) dictate those biases and generate the direction and flow of the story?biichan 2005-06-04: biichan: What I Want Out Of Fanfic: A Declaration To The Masses: I want to see tops and I want to see bottoms. I want to see people who have a favourite place position in the fucking and I want to see them revel in it. I want to see size queens and bears and pretty little whispy boys and I want to see those boys dominate the hell out of the big burly guys on top of them. I want to see butches and I want to see femmes and I do believe people, yes I do believe, that there is a way to write this that does not contradict the characters.aubrem 2005-06-04: aubrem: The HP Slash City-State: Now that I've been in fandom for two years (much of that anonymously, but still) I'm beginning to see that it resembles an entire functioning society: a City-State, if you will. I suppose because human beings are social creatures we naturally form complex social organizations. We have our commerce: fanfiction and fanart. We have our academics: the meta specialists. We have our public infrastructure: the archives, the rec lists, the assembled resources and the lj communitieszebra363 2005-06-05: zebra363: Reacting to death stories: My No. 1 reason for reading slash is to get more of an emotional charge than my real life usually provides. The more emotional intensity a story contains, the more I like it. That usually comes from the depth of the characters' feelings for each other in life, but it can also come from their sense of loss at losing one another.ajhalluk 2005-06-05: ajhalluk:: Spinning off from the impact of the Laws of Narrative Causality on the readers, I was also pondering their impact on the characters. I mean, why is it always assumed that the characters can be in total ignorance of dramatic tropes that are powerful enough to bend history to fit their shape?Fandom Specific
killabeez 2005-06-05: killabeez: Dead Zone: I remember watching "Descent" the first time it aired, and thinking for the first time that Johnny/Walt had some real possibilities. Up till then, I was so Johnny/Bruce that I barely noticed any other characters. The setup just couldn't be more slashy or fanficcy.lykaios [HP] 2005-06-02: lykaios: watch the p'licemen and the taxman miss me.: Lately I've been wondering about people who are sensitive to the portrayal of Slytherin. Not fandom's portrayal, but canon's. People who say Slytherin has a bad rap who also believe the house completely lives up to that reputation. When I read something like that I think, Er, what do you know that Rowling doesn't?phoenixwriter [HP] 2005-06-02: phoenixwriter: About "feminism" and "equality" or how a anti-"feministic" ship still can claim there is equality..: There must be a reason for that. The Weasleys aren't rich, so they could use some extra money with Molly working but she don't. Arthur is the one who works, who got a job. Either she don't wants to work, or Arthur don't want that she works. Either way that’s not equal nor is that feministic.