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kotohime: [in sailormoonfans] So, I've been wondering... what makes fanart "good"? - So I'm wondering... can a piece of fanart be "good"; simply because of its concept more than how well it was drawn?
What kind of criteria do you have for "judging" fanart?
- vampirenaomi: [in ffr_discussion] FF.Net and the quality of writing - Every now and then someone makes a remark about how there's nothing but shit at the Pit. Someone always jumps in to defend the site, and one of the usual arguments is that the level of quality is very fandom-specific. Some fandoms have nothing but crap posted at FF.Net, but for some other fandoms the site can be a gold mine. -
- silentcs: [in podfic_tips] reading emoticons, textspeak, punctuation - I was going over a few stories when I realized that I didn't know how to handle some of the texting language and conventions out loud. -
- echan: Real People are Hard - I'm currently working on a vid about a real person. A real, live, not fictional, pays taxes and has a wife and kids, person. This is weirding me out in a number of ways, but basically, he's real. Suddenly I wish I had had any interest in Real Person F(ic/andom) before now so I would be well read on the meta and would probably have answers to my queries. -
- cschick: It was an oddly fannish history type of day ... - What responsibility do I have to those stories? Many discussions which affected all fandoms, and in some ways shaped future fandoms, took place on the chaos lists. How much terminology originated on Fictalk? How much discussion about what fan fiction archives should be and should become took place on the archivists list? Maybe less than I remember, maybe more. -
Sun, Apr. 3rd, 2011, 09:49 am
- kotohime: [in sailormoonfans] So, I've been wondering... what makes fanart "good"? - So I'm wondering... can a piece of fanart be "good"; simply because of its concept more than how well it was drawn?
What kind of criteria do you have for "judging" fanart?
- vampirenaomi: [in ffr_discussion] FF.Net and the quality of writing - Every now and then someone makes a remark about how there's nothing but shit at the Pit. Someone always jumps in to defend the site, and one of the usual arguments is that the level of quality is very fandom-specific. Some fandoms have nothing but crap posted at FF.Net, but for some other fandoms the site can be a gold mine. -
- silentcs: [in podfic_tips] reading emoticons, textspeak, punctuation - I was going over a few stories when I realized that I didn't know how to handle some of the texting language and conventions out loud. -
- echan: Real People are Hard - I'm currently working on a vid about a real person. A real, live, not fictional, pays taxes and has a wife and kids, person. This is weirding me out in a number of ways, but basically, he's real. Suddenly I wish I had had any interest in Real Person F(ic/andom) before now so I would be well read on the meta and would probably have answers to my queries. -
- cschick: It was an oddly fannish history type of day ... - What responsibility do I have to those stories? Many discussions which affected all fandoms, and in some ways shaped future fandoms, took place on the chaos lists. How much terminology originated on Fictalk? How much discussion about what fan fiction archives should be and should become took place on the archivists list? Maybe less than I remember, maybe more. -
Tue, Mar. 22nd, 2011, 09:22 am
- princessofgeeks: categories and definitions again oh my - Is it better to discard the category of "femslash" in favor of an umbrella term, or is it better to preserve the category of "femslash" so that its profile within and without fandom is raised? [...]
Is it more accurate nowadays to say that gen means "no romance" or that it means "no porn"?
- vito_excalibur: genderswap fic - And a number of us know women without vaginas. (And men without cocks, and so on.) So it occurred to me: why assume a genderswapped character would have all those things? What would a genderswap fic be like in which the former dude comes blinking out of the plot device physically the same in every way, but now a pre-op (or non-op, or whatever) trans woman? -
- yourlibrarian: Fannish origins - So to sum up, creative fannishness tends to spring from long-form, high-visibility projects with at least one attractive male lead and no popular roadblocks to a developing relationship among the leads. Around LJ/DW it also profits from a dark underside, even if that potential is never quite exploited in the show. This is no doubt why, while I quite enjoy Castle and Community, I don't feel any particular need to get involved with their fandoms. And while I find myself more intrigued by the potential in WC, it has yet to turn out an episode that grabs me by the neck and makes me see that the writers themselves know what they have on their hands. -
- faithwood: Babbling about fandom. - I think everyone, more than once, read a popular story and ended up loathing it, or they've read an unpopular story and found it brilliant, or a popular story they loved just like everyone else, or an unpopular story they hated just like everyone else. The first two scenarios anger or confuse us and the latter two make us feel validated. Neither scenario means we're right. -
- hollow_echos: How do You Define Success in the Fandom? - The fact that fandom involvement often changes for individuals makes it kind of tricky to consider how far an individual has come in the fandom. If only there were benchmarks, road signs, to let an individual gauge how they are progressing in their growth in the fandom. -
- princessofgeeks: two things make a post - Compared to ten years ago, are people more multi-fannish all at the same time than they used to be? Or is this my imagination? -
- penknife: Remix thoughts - For people who are currently panicking about their Remix assignments, some thoughts on what to do when you look at your remixee's stories and flail in distress: -
Tue, Mar. 22nd, 2011, 09:18 am
acari: Monday, March 20, 2011
- princessofgeeks: categories and definitions again oh my - Is it better to discard the category of "femslash" in favor of an umbrella term, or is it better to preserve the category of "femslash" so that its profile within and without fandom is raised? [...]
Is it more accurate nowadays to say that gen means "no romance" or that it means "no porn"?
- vito_excalibur: genderswap fic - And a number of us know women without vaginas. (And men without cocks, and so on.) So it occurred to me: why assume a genderswapped character would have all those things? What would a genderswap fic be like in which the former dude comes blinking out of the plot device physically the same in every way, but now a pre-op (or non-op, or whatever) trans woman? -
- yourlibrarian: Fannish origins - So to sum up, creative fannishness tends to spring from long-form, high-visibility projects with at least one attractive male lead and no popular roadblocks to a developing relationship among the leads. Around LJ/DW it also profits from a dark underside, even if that potential is never quite exploited in the show. This is no doubt why, while I quite enjoy Castle and Community, I don't feel any particular need to get involved with their fandoms. And while I find myself more intrigued by the potential in WC, it has yet to turn out an episode that grabs me by the neck and makes me see that the writers themselves know what they have on their hands. -
- faithwood: Babbling about fandom. - I think everyone, more than once, read a popular story and ended up loathing it, or they've read an unpopular story and found it brilliant, or a popular story they loved just like everyone else, or an unpopular story they hated just like everyone else. The first two scenarios anger or confuse us and the latter two make us feel validated. Neither scenario means we're right. -
- hollow_echos: How do You Define Success in the Fandom? - The fact that fandom involvement often changes for individuals makes it kind of tricky to consider how far an individual has come in the fandom. If only there were benchmarks, road signs, to let an individual gauge how they are progressing in their growth in the fandom. -
- princessofgeeks: two things make a post - Compared to ten years ago, are people more multi-fannish all at the same time than they used to be? Or is this my imagination? -
- penknife: Remix thoughts - For people who are currently panicking about their Remix assignments, some thoughts on what to do when you look at your remixee's stories and flail in distress: -
Sun, Mar. 6th, 2011, 03:25 pm
trouble: Sunday, March 6
- morganoconner: When an author lacks an ounce of respect for her readers - If you've written a fic, and the potential is there for something to be construed as dub-con - even if you as the author don't agree - there needs to be a warning in clear view for your readers to see.
- podcath: [in podficmeta] From Hating Music in Podfic to Loving it: A Convert's Journey - I've been meaning to make a post on music in podfic for a while, mostly because I'm a very recent convert. When I first started listening to podfic in SGA, none of them featured music, and that's what I'd gotten used to. Moving into SPN, I started to hear a lot more music (first, actually, in the EVPs, which saw themselves more as podcasts mixing music with speech and different stories) and there were various reasons I started strongly disliking the use of music.
- alamo_girl80: A look at Fandom Pairings - Okay, since most of my LJ posts of late have been something around the "To Slash or Not to Slash" arena [...] - I'm going to toss this observation and a few meta questions out into the ether.
- yourlibrarian: Whither the Squick - In short, I think the fans' perception of a celebrity needing protection from his/her fans' imagination seems a projection of fans' own deep discomfort in seeing their desires out in the open for public consumption. The desire for connection exists in every fic. It also forms the basis of the fan communities in which the stories are produced and where those connections often do find realization in the form of connection to fellow fans. This may be more easily deniable in the case of FP fic where such connections to the characters are clearly impossible and can be considered entirely harmless and in no way a sign of unrealistic expectations.
Sun, Mar. 6th, 2011, 03:33 pm
- morganoconner: When an author lacks an ounce of respect for her readers - If you've written a fic, and the potential is there for something to be construed as dub-con - even if you as the author don't agree - there needs to be a warning in clear view for your readers to see.
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podcath: [in podficmeta] From Hating Music in Podfic to Loving it: A Convert's Journey - I've been meaning to make a post on music in podfic for a while, mostly because I'm a very recent convert. When I first started listening to podfic in SGA, none of them featured music, and that's what I'd gotten used to. Moving into SPN, I started to hear a lot more music (first, actually, in the EVPs, which saw themselves more as podcasts mixing music with speech and different stories) and there were various reasons I started strongly disliking the use of music.
- alamo_girl80: A look at Fandom Pairings - Okay, since most of my LJ posts of late have been something around the "To Slash or Not to Slash" arena [...] - I'm going to toss this observation and a few meta questions out into the ether.
- yourlibrarian: Whither the Squick - In short, I think the fans' perception of a celebrity needing protection from his/her fans' imagination seems a projection of fans' own deep discomfort in seeing their desires out in the open for public consumption. The desire for connection exists in every fic. It also forms the basis of the fan communities in which the stories are produced and where those connections often do find realization in the form of connection to fellow fans. This may be more easily deniable in the case of FP fic where such connections to the characters are clearly impossible and can be considered entirely harmless and in no way a sign of unrealistic expectations. -
Tue, Mar. 1st, 2011, 10:17 pm
- cimorene: GWG or Girlfriends-What-Girlfriends - a term I could potentially get a lot of use out of - My kneejerk reaction is "Of course!". We need a term for this, because this is a really common story type, on a par with PWP or UST. I'd love to see a world where this was a universal tag at AO3 and something that almost everyone in fandom tagged their bookmarks with on Delicious -
- paraka: An Open Letter to bjwewelled - From the comments you've left, I gather that we're interpreting your words in ways you didn't intend us to and it probably seems like we're reacting rather harshly. Some of that is us, we're bringing in a history of past interactions with people who have said similar things, but part of that is definitely how you've put things and how you're reacting. I'm hoping to help clarify why we're reacting so strongly and also to answer some of the questions you've had -
- frigg: All these words that we speak casually - Seeing others being routinely cruel with no repercussions will create a mood where cruelty is trivialised and pardoned. We can reverse that, from both outside and in. We can do good - even if they seem like small, tiny inconsistent things. We can call out bullies, people being insulting and lies for what they are. We can create safe pockets in unsafe places. We can warn off others we know would get hurt by something. We can console friends who have been hurt. We can choose not to turn a blind eye when somebody is being hurt or shamed. We can share and spread respect and openness even in wanky discussions. We can set rules for ourselves, and sometimes for others too. This is us, this is our community too, these are our places. We have a voice. -
- solarcat: Safe Sex (in MY porn!?) - what is YOUR take on the topic of safe-sex practices in porn? (Fic porn, filmed porn, whatever.) Does it turn you on/off? What about a distinct LACK of safe-sex practices in your porn? Do you sit there thinking, No condom?? >:( or UNF. I WILL BE IN MY BUNK!? -
- rosemaryandrue: Using Our Grown Up Voices ('ware bullying) - Yeah, fandom isn't high school. Sometimes it isn't even elementary school. So, what to do with all this, with the responsibility of being an adult and the wisdom we can learn from school? I'm not sure. I wanted to ask people to speak up, but I know the awful scars it leaves and how painful and hard it can feel to have any extra demands made of you when you've already been hurt. -
- zephre: Brain Flotsam - I offer this post as a safe space for people to discuss the problem of bullying in our online fan communities, the difficulty of painting all anonymous communities with the same brush, the emotions generated not only by the direct bullying but by the reactions of fans and fandom spaces to it, the differences between bullying and constructive criticism, and concrete actions that can help us move forward to stop bullying and reclaim our fandom spaces as safe and healthy communities. -
- venivincere: That damned mean meme is an arse, why anon love memes are different, and how to truly strike back - So to anyone who's been devastated by this group of idiots, please, please remember: opinions have to be voiced to have any meaning. Anons don't have a voice. Therefore, logically, anons can't have opinions. Don't waste a single moment more giving credence to an arse. Do what you want in this fandom, do it with abandon, share the love, the squee, the awesome art and stories. -
- kaneko: Writing tricks. Also tofu. - [...] I've been thinking about some of the tricks and cheats I use a lot -- some borrowed, some figured out through trial and error. So a few of my writing tricks. I'd love to know some of yours too! -
Tue, Mar. 1st, 2011, 10:18 pm
acari: Tuesday, March 1, 2011
- cimorene: GWG or Girlfriends-What-Girlfriends - a term I could potentially get a lot of use out of - My kneejerk reaction is "Of course!". We need a term for this, because this is a really common story type, on a par with PWP or UST. I'd love to see a world where this was a universal tag at AO3 and something that almost everyone in fandom tagged their bookmarks with on Delicious -
- paraka: An Open Letter to bjwewelled - From the comments you've left, I gather that we're interpreting your words in ways you didn't intend us to and it probably seems like we're reacting rather harshly. Some of that is us, we're bringing in a history of past interactions with people who have said similar things, but part of that is definitely how you've put things and how you're reacting. I'm hoping to help clarify why we're reacting so strongly and also to answer some of the questions you've had -
- frigg: All these words that we speak casually - Seeing others being routinely cruel with no repercussions will create a mood where cruelty is trivialised and pardoned. We can reverse that, from both outside and in. We can do good - even if they seem like small, tiny inconsistent things. We can call out bullies, people being insulting and lies for what they are. We can create safe pockets in unsafe places. We can warn off others we know would get hurt by something. We can console friends who have been hurt. We can choose not to turn a blind eye when somebody is being hurt or shamed. We can share and spread respect and openness even in wanky discussions. We can set rules for ourselves, and sometimes for others too. This is us, this is our community too, these are our places. We have a voice. -
- solarcat: Safe Sex (in MY porn!?) - what is YOUR take on the topic of safe-sex practices in porn? (Fic porn, filmed porn, whatever.) Does it turn you on/off? What about a distinct LACK of safe-sex practices in your porn? Do you sit there thinking, No condom?? >:( or UNF. I WILL BE IN MY BUNK!? -
- rosemaryandrue: Using Our Grown Up Voices ('ware bullying) - Yeah, fandom isn't high school. Sometimes it isn't even elementary school. So, what to do with all this, with the responsibility of being an adult and the wisdom we can learn from school? I'm not sure. I wanted to ask people to speak up, but I know the awful scars it leaves and how painful and hard it can feel to have any extra demands made of you when you've already been hurt. -
- zephre: Brain Flotsam - I offer this post as a safe space for people to discuss the problem of bullying in our online fan communities, the difficulty of painting all anonymous communities with the same brush, the emotions generated not only by the direct bullying but by the reactions of fans and fandom spaces to it, the differences between bullying and constructive criticism, and concrete actions that can help us move forward to stop bullying and reclaim our fandom spaces as safe and healthy communities. -
- venivincere: That damned mean meme is an arse, why anon love memes are different, and how to truly strike back - So to anyone who's been devastated by this group of idiots, please, please remember: opinions have to be voiced to have any meaning. Anons don't have a voice. Therefore, logically, anons can't have opinions. Don't waste a single moment more giving credence to an arse. Do what you want in this fandom, do it with abandon, share the love, the squee, the awesome art and stories. -
- kaneko: Writing tricks. Also tofu. - [...] I've been thinking about some of the tricks and cheats I use a lot -- some borrowed, some figured out through trial and error. So a few of my writing tricks. I'd love to know some of yours too! -
Tue, Feb. 22nd, 2011, 11:18 am
Tue, Feb. 22nd, 2011, 11:16 am
acari: Monday, Febuary 21, 2011
Sat, Feb. 19th, 2011, 08:34 am
phoebe_zeitgeist: Thursday/Friday, February 17-18, 2011
- tablesaw: Dear Dead Authors: You Can Take Your Affective Fallacy and Shove It Up Your Intentionality - when I think of "The Death of the Author," I'm thinking of an outlook that is designed to fundamentally empower readers over authors. So when it comes to, as Yuki_Onna calls it, fuckmuppetry, why is this pulled out as a defense of authors? -
- executrix: Meta: The Adventures of a Slut, I Just Can't Shut - Apart from having a physical type that I find attractive, and sharing the great fannish love for snark and those who control its means of production, I was going to say that one thing that links most of the characters I like the best is that I usually write about people who I can believe enjoy casual sex. -
- arasigyrn: How Things Change - I know the hero's story - it's been part of the stories I've told and been told since I was a child. They fight: they face set-back: they triumph. It's a pattern and once you see it, you can't unsee it. Tell me the sidekick's story! Tell me the nemesis' story! Tell me a story I haven't heard. -
- facetofcathy: TV I have watched - What I find much more interesting than looking for any sort of "Two nations divided by a common language" politics in fandom is the way various source texts present place and character voice when a lot of those places and people aren't from either the US or the UK. There are, after all, many more than two nations with their own versions of English and my response to both Lost Girl and Haven has a lot to do with things that are familiar to me, sometimes when they shouldn't be. -
- sailorptah: Narrative anti-kinks? - I think I've put a finger on one of my narrative anti-kinks. For lack of a shorter name, let's call it Drama And/Or Angst In Which None Of The Characters Are Likable. -
Sat, Feb. 19th, 2011, 08:33 am
- tablesaw: Dear Dead Authors: You Can Take Your Affective Fallacy and Shove It Up Your Intentionality - when I think of "The Death of the Author," I'm thinking of an outlook that is designed to fundamentally empower readers over authors. So when it comes to, as Yuki_Onna calls it, fuckmuppetry, why is this pulled out as a defense of authors? -
- executrix: Meta: The Adventures of a Slut, I Just Can't Shut - Apart from having a physical type that I find attractive, and sharing the great fannish love for snark and those who control its means of production, I was going to say that one thing that links most of the characters I like the best is that I usually write about people who I can believe enjoy casual sex. -
- arasigyrn: How Things Change - I know the hero's story - it's been part of the stories I've told and been told since I was a child. They fight: they face set-back: they triumph. It's a pattern and once you see it, you can't unsee it. Tell me the sidekick's story! Tell me the nemesis' story! Tell me a story I haven't heard. -
- facetofcathy: TV I have watched - What I find much more interesting than looking for any sort of "Two nations divided by a common language" politics in fandom is the way various source texts present place and character voice when a lot of those places and people aren't from either the US or the UK. There are, after all, many more than two nations with their own versions of English and my response to both Lost Girl and Haven has a lot to do with things that are familiar to me, sometimes when they shouldn't be. -
- sailorptah: Narrative anti-kinks? - I think I've put a finger on one of my narrative anti-kinks. For lack of a shorter name, let's call it Drama And/Or Angst In Which None Of The Characters Are Likable. -
Thu, Feb. 17th, 2011, 03:37 am
fairestcat: Wednesday, February 16, 2011
- bjewelled: Daily Meta: Audioficcing from a Writerly Perspective - I think a writer should have the ability to have a say in how their words are translated into audible form. I don't think that we should be shut out of the process completely, as some advocate. I think that if writer desires to be a producer, then a writer should be allowed to develop a style of their own. That's my opinion as a writer. -
Thu, Feb. 17th, 2011, 03:42 am
fairestcat: Wednesday, February 16, 2011
- [Bad username or site: bjewelled site=livejournal.com @ livejournal.com]: Daily Meta: Audioficcing from a Writerly Perspective - I think a writer should have the ability to have a say in how their words are translated into audible form. I don't think that we should be shut out of the process completely, as some advocate. I think that if writer desires to be a producer, then a writer should be allowed to develop a style of their own. That's my opinion as a writer. -
Sat, Feb. 12th, 2011, 06:52 pm
lovelokest: Saturday, February 12, 2011
- seriousfic: Three faces of bitch - To be a HBIC, you must be A. In charge. B. A bitch. C. Head. Which is really the same thing as in charge, so clearly this term was coined by someone who hated editors. So we must separate HBIC from two other, equally important categories of bitch. -
- prozacpark: Reading Against Intent: Women in fiction, authorial intent, and negative reinvention. - In the absence of the female POV, we're constantly forced to rearrange bits of the narrative in our heads for them to give them motivation that the narrative didn't care to explore. And I think how we do that, in large part, indicates how we feel about female characters in general. -
- frigg: What to do in fandom when one cannot write - Then, what can one do in fandom when they can't type? As a non-author, that's me fairly all the time, so here's a list I made for a friend once along with recs of what I've been doing for some of them these days. Writing is very, very much not the end-all of fandom activity. -
Sat, Feb. 12th, 2011, 06:53 pm
- seriousfic: Three faces of bitch - To be a HBIC, you must be A. In charge. B. A bitch. C. Head. Which is really the same thing as in charge, so clearly this term was coined by someone who hated editors. So we must separate HBIC from two other, equally important categories of bitch. -
- prozacpark: Reading Against Intent: Women in fiction, authorial intent, and negative reinvention. - In the absence of the female POV, we're constantly forced to rearrange bits of the narrative in our heads for them to give them motivation that the narrative didn't care to explore. And I think how we do that, in large part, indicates how we feel about female characters in general. -
- frigg: What to do in fandom when one cannot write - Then, what can one do in fandom when they can't type? As a non-author, that's me fairly all the time, so here's a list I made for a friend once along with recs of what I've been doing for some of them these days. Writing is very, very much not the end-all of fandom activity. -
Wed, Feb. 9th, 2011, 11:18 pm
fairestcat: Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Wed, Feb. 9th, 2011, 11:23 pm
fairestcat: Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Mon, Feb. 7th, 2011, 09:58 pm
- mithrigil: Factors Which May Increase or Decrease The Amount of People Who Read Your Fic - For shits and giggles and oh god what the hell am I doing theoretical algebra and statistics for at one in the morning - Let X equal the amount of people who see the fic advertised, as determined by A (the number of people on your friendslist) + B (the amount of people in any livejournal communities you crosspost the advertisement to) + C (audience outside livejournal as determined by stalking your ljtoys, AO3 and FFN hitcounts) -
Mon, Feb. 7th, 2011, 09:59 pm
acari: Monday, Febuary 7, 2011
- mithrigil: Factors Which May Increase or Decrease The Amount of People Who Read Your Fic - For shits and giggles and oh god what the hell am I doing theoretical algebra and statistics for at one in the morning - Let X equal the amount of people who see the fic advertised, as determined by A (the number of people on your friendslist) + B (the amount of people in any livejournal communities you crosspost the advertisement to) + C (audience outside livejournal as determined by stalking your ljtoys, AO3 and FFN hitcounts) -
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