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April 13th, 2010
01:18 pm
- norah: Just for the record... - writing (or reading) fiction in a primarily female community, without an eye to profit/publication, as part of an exchange of creative work and community value, can be transformative in and of itself. If not of a previously published work, of the author, or the reader, or their relationship to the text (or texts in general.) -
- starlady: AMVs versus vids (Can o' worms? Check! Can opener? Check! Let's rock and roll!) - particularly in the last three-four years, AMVs have become feats of video editing and digital clip creation achievement.[...]So the end result is this amalgamation of transformed and original content in a transformative practice that ends up somewhere in between the two, in terms of impact, I think. Whereas most vids I've seen are almost wholly using transformed content -
- majoline: The confessions of a woman who's never written any fiction at all. - So, yeah, this is my story. A story of a beta who ended up a scaredy cat lurker. This is probably the story of quite a few people out there. I don't write fic or really participate. I was too ashamed of what I liked and wanted to write. And now I write nothing at all. -
01:22 pm
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acari: Monday, April 12, 2010
- norah: Just for the record... - writing (or reading) fiction in a primarily female community, without an eye to profit/publication, as part of an exchange of creative work and community value, can be transformative in and of itself. If not of a previously published work, of the author, or the reader, or their relationship to the text (or texts in general.) -
- starlady: AMVs versus vids (Can o' worms? Check! Can opener? Check! Let's rock and roll!) - particularly in the last three-four years, AMVs have become feats of video editing and digital clip creation achievement.[...]So the end result is this amalgamation of transformed and original content in a transformative practice that ends up somewhere in between the two, in terms of impact, I think. Whereas most vids I've seen are almost wholly using transformed content -
- majoline: The confessions of a woman who's never written any fiction at all. - So, yeah, this is my story. A story of a beta who ended up a scaredy cat lurker. This is probably the story of quite a few people out there. I don't write fic or really participate. I was too ashamed of what I liked and wanted to write. And now I write nothing at all. -
03:09 pm
oula: Tuesday
- obsession_inc: Your Guide To Fandom Ships and New Characters That Interfere With Them - Assuming similar levels of acting, writing, and chemistry, if the minor character is male, we’ll make an effort to rehabilitate him and/or treat him kindly, but if the minor character is female, nothing is bad enough to punish her properly for existing. -
- cschick: Write what you wanna write - It’s a fine balance. Many readers want characters with at least a little bit of Mary Sue quality to them. There’s a line to walk between just enough Mary Sue and too much Mary Sue. And seriously, that line differs from reader to reader, from author to author. -
- mergatrude: [in pacifi_cant] Meta: Fandom is Part of My Life, Too! - Having a couple of kids in the last few years has reduced the number of hours I have available to watch the lastest shows garnering Fandom’s interest, or to scroll through my friends’ list; and I don’t seem to have much of a fic-writing brain at the moment. However, I still cling to the special feeling that Fandom gives me, that space of my own which is just about me liking what I like. -
- quinfirefrorefiddle: [in hooked_on_heroines] Shows that pass the Bechdel Test by design - What are some shows/books/movies that have passed the Bechdel Test not just usually, but naturally arising from their premise? -
- petra: [in pacifi_cant] OT3s = 3 but also full of <3 - I know there are plenty of media out there in various formats that have indispensable trios. I would love it if the current upswing in the number of people considering OT3s could extend beyond the present set of fandoms and spur on some polyamory stories in earlier fandoms. What OT3 calls to you, reader? -
- amalthia: Ebook Library User Poll - What type of device do you read fan fiction on? -
- charmian: Who owns a DW/LJ comm, and can LJ ‘take away’ your permanent account if you get too big? - Who ‘owns’ a community on LJ? According to Brenden, the new Editor of ONTD, “when I was approached last month - it was IMPLIED that LJ owned ONTD” (from this comment). Not knowing the actual quote, it’s impossible to say what LJ really meant by this, but who really owns a community? What does it mean to own an LJ community? -
- thedeadparrot: My Problem With Mary Sues - I am getting sick of hearing about how awesome and feminist Mary Sues are, because 90% of the ones I have read are predicated on the idea that the canon female characters are not good enough for the hero, and, of course, Mary Sue is there to give the hero someone he could ~*really love*~. -
- red_eft: All Things to Everyone / Run Run Away - if the archive allows original fic and not original art, etc, it becomes- to me, anyway- a fiction archive with some multimedia bonuses. Which, again, is an okay thing to be! I would rather have a fiction archive that allows me to upload my fanart than one where I can’t participate at all (except reading and commenting, of course). But I’d sort of got the impression that’s not what they wanted to be. -
- dagas_isa: On Making Multi-Lingual Fannish Communities - In general, this idea of creating mutli-lingual/interlingual fandom communities is hugely appealing to me, and the ability to enjoy fannish works across language and culture barriers is a big part of what I would want in an archive. What follows is basically why this would be awesome (to me), what I think would need to happen for the Ao3 to be a mutilingual fan community, and how the Ao3 would have to develop in regards to features in order to achieve that multilinguality. -
- mecurtin: Why is the Designated Love Interest so popular? - Anyhow, I wonder why the DLI is such a very popular trope, *still*, even though the vast majority of people do *not* have an externally-designated Love Interest, and tend to at least date a variety of people before Designating one ourselves. -
- cherrybina: Are you willing to suspend disbelief for really hot porn? - What are your feelings about realism in porn? How much do you need for it to work and how much are you willing to overlook in the name of FUCK YES THAT’S HOT? -
- velvet_mace: Female characters and the perils of doing something wrong.It's true. Male characters are allowed to fart, keep a filthy house and bad hygiene, bite off more than they can chew, trip over their shoes, do dumb things and get epically called out and publicly humiliated. And everyone laughs. Put a woman in the same situation, and with rare exceptions, she's hated. A bitchy man is the source of laughs, a bitchy woman is a bitch. A charmingly inept man is loved, a charmingly inept woman will set every woman's teeth on edge.
I'm talking about how women react. Not men.
- miss_haitch: Why I love Mary Sue - Guess what, people. Mary Sue isn’t limited to fanfiction and media anymore. She’s among us, EVERY DAY, being too awesome and taking up room in the plot. Better watch out! -
- goldjadeocean: Why I’m doing this - Mary Sue writers do not need to earn the right to enjoy their art. Nobody needs to work hard enough to get their self-esteem cards punched. People who want to improve, can; but there is nothing morally wrong in the delusion that you are better than you are, especially if that delusion hurts no one, robs no one, causes no one distress. -
- phoebe_zeitgeist: From the department of unpopular fannish opinions - I don’t disagree with the idea that the Mary Sue is a perfectly good form for a story a writer is telling for her own pleasure, or that of a small audience of like-minded friends -- but this does strike me as a fairly obvious problem with the form when the target audience is the fandom in which a Mary Sue is set. -
- rubyfruit: Making Peace With Mary Sue - I have long since made peace with Mary Sue. I had to, if not because Sue-hunting is a goddamn waste of time, then for my own sanity. For other people just learning how to write. For their sanity. -
03:11 pm
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obsession_inc: Your Guide To Fandom Ships and New Characters That Interfere With Them - Assuming similar levels of acting, writing, and chemistry, if the minor character is male, we’ll make an effort to rehabilitate him and/or treat him kindly, but if the minor character is female, nothing is bad enough to punish her properly for existing. -
- cschick: Write what you wanna write - It’s a fine balance. Many readers want characters with at least a little bit of Mary Sue quality to them. There’s a line to walk between just enough Mary Sue and too much Mary Sue. And seriously, that line differs from reader to reader, from author to author. -
- mergatrude: [in pacifi_cant] Meta: Fandom is Part of My Life, Too! - Having a couple of kids in the last few years has reduced the number of hours I have available to watch the lastest shows garnering Fandom’s interest, or to scroll through my friends’ list; and I don’t seem to have much of a fic-writing brain at the moment. However, I still cling to the special feeling that Fandom gives me, that space of my own which is just about me liking what I like. -
- quinfirefrorefiddle: [in hooked_on_heroines] Shows that pass the Bechdel Test by design - What are some shows/books/movies that have passed the Bechdel Test not just usually, but naturally arising from their premise? -
- petra: [in pacifi_cant] OT3s = 3 but also full of <3 - I know there are plenty of media out there in various formats that have indispensable trios. I would love it if the current upswing in the number of people considering OT3s could extend beyond the present set of fandoms and spur on some polyamory stories in earlier fandoms. What OT3 calls to you, reader? -
- amalthia: Ebook Library User Poll - What type of device do you read fan fiction on? -
- charmian: Who owns a DW/LJ comm, and can LJ ‘take away’ your permanent account if you get too big? - Who ‘owns’ a community on LJ? According to Brenden, the new Editor of ONTD, “when I was approached last month - it was IMPLIED that LJ owned ONTD” (from this comment). Not knowing the actual quote, it’s impossible to say what LJ really meant by this, but who really owns a community? What does it mean to own an LJ community? -
- thedeadparrot: My Problem With Mary Sues - I am getting sick of hearing about how awesome and feminist Mary Sues are, because 90% of the ones I have read are predicated on the idea that the canon female characters are not good enough for the hero, and, of course, Mary Sue is there to give the hero someone he could ~*really love*~. -
- red_eft: All Things to Everyone / Run Run Away - if the archive allows original fic and not original art, etc, it becomes- to me, anyway- a fiction archive with some multimedia bonuses. Which, again, is an okay thing to be! I would rather have a fiction archive that allows me to upload my fanart than one where I can’t participate at all (except reading and commenting, of course). But I’d sort of got the impression that’s not what they wanted to be. -
- dagas_isa: On Making Multi-Lingual Fannish Communities - In general, this idea of creating mutli-lingual/interlingual fandom communities is hugely appealing to me, and the ability to enjoy fannish works across language and culture barriers is a big part of what I would want in an archive. What follows is basically why this would be awesome (to me), what I think would need to happen for the Ao3 to be a mutilingual fan community, and how the Ao3 would have to develop in regards to features in order to achieve that multilinguality. -
- mecurtin: Why is the Designated Love Interest so popular? - Anyhow, I wonder why the DLI is such a very popular trope, *still*, even though the vast majority of people do *not* have an externally-designated Love Interest, and tend to at least date a variety of people before Designating one ourselves. -
- cherrybina: Are you willing to suspend disbelief for really hot porn? - What are your feelings about realism in porn? How much do you need for it to work and how much are you willing to overlook in the name of FUCK YES THAT’S HOT? -
- velvet_mace: Female characters and the perils of doing something wrong.It's true. Male characters are allowed to fart, keep a filthy house and bad hygiene, bite off more than they can chew, trip over their shoes, do dumb things and get epically called out and publicly humiliated. And everyone laughs. Put a woman in the same situation, and with rare exceptions, she's hated. A bitchy man is the source of laughs, a bitchy woman is a bitch. A charmingly inept man is loved, a charmingly inept woman will set every woman's teeth on edge.
I'm talking about how women react. Not men.
- miss_haitch: Why I love Mary Sue - Guess what, people. Mary Sue isn’t limited to fanfiction and media anymore. She’s among us, EVERY DAY, being too awesome and taking up room in the plot. Better watch out! -
- goldjadeocean: Why I’m doing this - Mary Sue writers do not need to earn the right to enjoy their art. Nobody needs to work hard enough to get their self-esteem cards punched. People who want to improve, can; but there is nothing morally wrong in the delusion that you are better than you are, especially if that delusion hurts no one, robs no one, causes no one distress. -
- phoebe_zeitgeist: From the department of unpopular fannish opinions - I don’t disagree with the idea that the Mary Sue is a perfectly good form for a story a writer is telling for her own pleasure, or that of a small audience of like-minded friends -- but this does strike me as a fairly obvious problem with the form when the target audience is the fandom in which a Mary Sue is set. -
- rubyfruit: Making Peace With Mary Sue - I have long since made peace with Mary Sue. I had to, if not because Sue-hunting is a goddamn waste of time, then for my own sanity. For other people just learning how to write. For their sanity. -
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acari.livejournal.com: Monday, April 12, 2010