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January 20th, 2010
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trobadora: Captain Jack Harkness is not gay - Repeat after me: Captain Jack Harkness is not straight, Captain Jack Harkness is not gay. 1 Sexuality isn't a simple binary. And your current relationship does not your sexual identity define. In the immortal words of the Doctor, STOP IT. -
- qwertyuiop: I'm in your fandom queering up your het... - I am a lesbian and writing and reading and shipping het does not change that fact, and it also makes the het side of fandom extremely uncomfortable, unsafe, and painful quite a bit of times particularly when het writing/reading/shipping people get on the defensive. -
- edenfalling: you know, not all slash is actually about sex - Anyway, for me, slash has nothing to do with exploring my own sexuality, or acting out my sexuality through male proxies, or playing around in drag, or whatever new analogies people are coming up with. It has very little to do with sex, honestly. (The same goes for het and femslash and poly and whatever else people get up to by way of sexual/romantic relationships.) I am interested in character as displayed through relationships, and relationships an an influence on characters and actions; it is all about being human in community with other humans. -
- ssquirrel_fic: Meta - But, and this is a big but, it is only fiction. And I'm not saying that as if it will excuse me from my duty to accurately portray LBGTQ issues, because it doesn't. I'm saying it is "only" fiction with a nod to the fact that it is created. By somebody who probably doesn't have the same world view as you do. -
- jimhines: In Defense of CriticismIt doesn’t matter if we’re talking about racism in Transformers, research failure in Criminal Minds, plot shortcomings in Avatar … pretty much all of these discussions eventually produce comments along the lines of:
Why are you wasting your time and energy on this? Relax and enjoy it for the mindless entertainment it is.
- shweta_narayan: in 1815; that is, ten or twenty years before any one had learned to read Sanskrit - It's not just the ubiquity of narratives from a privileged perspective, in my mind, it's this sense within said narratives that other perspectives are not only unheard, they are nonexistent. -
- spiderstars: The Road Thus Far, The Queer Experience, Writing The Other - What type of fiction, exactly, we are talking about is somewhat vague. Some people are referring solely to original fiction, others to both slash fanfiction and original fiction. Both categories are inadequate and unclear to me. It seems to be there are multiple divisions of literature involving different elements which could be problematic. -
- linaelyn: There's this thing going on in slash fandom - Maybe we could throw away all this business with stuffing folks into boxes and just say, "Hey, let's write some fun stuff!" and then each story could be judged on the merits of its content and style... and not on the gender or orientation of the person holding the pen, typing on the keyboard, or simply spinning a yarn around the metaphorical campfire of fandom. -
- wistfuljane: I dreamed that linkspam labeled one of my posts as derailing and showing white privilege - We often talk about how a work created in a white dominant culture will reflect the racial bias and dynamics of that culture and it led me thinking to the relationship between the source materials and fandom in terms of perpetuating those racial bias and dynamics -
- marina: So, the good news is that according to t - Also I have spent most of today seething over various things that have been on my mind lately.[...]Sherlock Holmes and how that movie brilliantly, imo, created a certain universe where all the issues of Victorian England were present but elegantly handled and how I'm afraid that fandom will not realize where the bodies are buried and will traipse all over the skeletons. -
- sherrold: That was the year that was: Fannish** 2009 - [listing of major events in fandom in 2009] -
- xie_xie_xie: Switch hitters: Lesbians write gay male erotica, and gay men write lesbian erotica - I don't remember the stories at all. All that I do remember is this: Not one of the gay male-authored stories about lesbian sex did a damn thing for me, and I found at least a few of the lesbian-authored gay male sex stories hot as hell. -
- brown_betty: Secret Savant - One of the fic genres I love and find fascinating is the one where it turns out that this one guy who everyone thought was an easy-going goofball is actually SOOPER SMART. -
- jamie: hmm - It's not about the tv shows or the movies. It's about the people, the human condition. It's about being a thoughtful considerate person to the other people I know and the many many I don't. -
- black_trillium: slashingFiction is appropriation. Appropriation is not the end of the world.
Now, this is true for people who write, and people who read. Because whilst an author can claim some degree of ownership over a text, and whilst, for the purposes of the current debate it seems that the intent/ context/ identity of the author is important, a text does not, once it has been written, exist AS IS for all time.
- eumelia: "Little Boxes on the Hillside" - I'm bothered the lumping of identities in this debate. Gay men assume their experiences are being hijacked for straight women's sexual satisfaction, while ignoring the voices of their gay sisters, who's sexuality is seen as less valid because the cock is absent, temporary or simply not the focus. -
- deepad: The Cost of Engaging - The toll taken on those who choose to engage is not equitable. And it is not just. And while virtue might be its own reward, I find that I cannot just sit back and feel grateful for the people who engage, who step in to wrestle with problems that affect me, who fight for change that will benefit me.//What I feel is sad about the effect it has on them, and angry that it has to hurt them so much, and resentful that the distribution of trauma is so uneven. -
- zvi: [in podficmeta] Tell me something good -- Audible headers - What sorts of headings do you want the reader to read aloud in podfic? -
07:39 am
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oula: Tuesday, January 19th, 2010
- trobadora: Captain Jack Harkness is not gay - Repeat after me: Captain Jack Harkness is not straight, Captain Jack Harkness is not gay. 1 Sexuality isn't a simple binary. And your current relationship does not your sexual identity define. In the immortal words of the Doctor, STOP IT. -
- qwertyuiop: I'm in your fandom queering up your het... - I am a lesbian and writing and reading and shipping het does not change that fact, and it also makes the het side of fandom extremely uncomfortable, unsafe, and painful quite a bit of times particularly when het writing/reading/shipping people get on the defensive. -
- edenfalling: you know, not all slash is actually about sex - Anyway, for me, slash has nothing to do with exploring my own sexuality, or acting out my sexuality through male proxies, or playing around in drag, or whatever new analogies people are coming up with. It has very little to do with sex, honestly. (The same goes for het and femslash and poly and whatever else people get up to by way of sexual/romantic relationships.) I am interested in character as displayed through relationships, and relationships an an influence on characters and actions; it is all about being human in community with other humans. -
- ssquirrel_fic: Meta - But, and this is a big but, it is only fiction. And I'm not saying that as if it will excuse me from my duty to accurately portray LBGTQ issues, because it doesn't. I'm saying it is "only" fiction with a nod to the fact that it is created. By somebody who probably doesn't have the same world view as you do. -
- jimhines: In Defense of CriticismIt doesn’t matter if we’re talking about racism in Transformers, research failure in Criminal Minds, plot shortcomings in Avatar … pretty much all of these discussions eventually produce comments along the lines of:
Why are you wasting your time and energy on this? Relax and enjoy it for the mindless entertainment it is.
- shweta_narayan: in 1815; that is, ten or twenty years before any one had learned to read Sanskrit - It's not just the ubiquity of narratives from a privileged perspective, in my mind, it's this sense within said narratives that other perspectives are not only unheard, they are nonexistent. -
- spiderstars: The Road Thus Far, The Queer Experience, Writing The Other - What type of fiction, exactly, we are talking about is somewhat vague. Some people are referring solely to original fiction, others to both slash fanfiction and original fiction. Both categories are inadequate and unclear to me. It seems to be there are multiple divisions of literature involving different elements which could be problematic. -
- linaelyn: There's this thing going on in slash fandom - Maybe we could throw away all this business with stuffing folks into boxes and just say, "Hey, let's write some fun stuff!" and then each story could be judged on the merits of its content and style... and not on the gender or orientation of the person holding the pen, typing on the keyboard, or simply spinning a yarn around the metaphorical campfire of fandom. -
- wistfuljane: I dreamed that linkspam labeled one of my posts as derailing and showing white privilege - We often talk about how a work created in a white dominant culture will reflect the racial bias and dynamics of that culture and it led me thinking to the relationship between the source materials and fandom in terms of perpetuating those racial bias and dynamics -
- marina: So, the good news is that according to t - Also I have spent most of today seething over various things that have been on my mind lately.[...]Sherlock Holmes and how that movie brilliantly, imo, created a certain universe where all the issues of Victorian England were present but elegantly handled and how I'm afraid that fandom will not realize where the bodies are buried and will traipse all over the skeletons. -
- sherrold: That was the year that was: Fannish** 2009 - [listing of major events in fandom in 2009] -
- xie_xie_xie: Switch hitters: Lesbians write gay male erotica, and gay men write lesbian erotica - I don't remember the stories at all. All that I do remember is this: Not one of the gay male-authored stories about lesbian sex did a damn thing for me, and I found at least a few of the lesbian-authored gay male sex stories hot as hell. -
- brown_betty: Secret Savant - One of the fic genres I love and find fascinating is the one where it turns out that this one guy who everyone thought was an easy-going goofball is actually SOOPER SMART. -
- jamie: hmm - It's not about the tv shows or the movies. It's about the people, the human condition. It's about being a thoughtful considerate person to the other people I know and the many many I don't. -
- black_trillium: slashingFiction is appropriation. Appropriation is not the end of the world.
Now, this is true for people who write, and people who read. Because whilst an author can claim some degree of ownership over a text, and whilst, for the purposes of the current debate it seems that the intent/ context/ identity of the author is important, a text does not, once it has been written, exist AS IS for all time.
- eumelia: "Little Boxes on the Hillside" - I'm bothered the lumping of identities in this debate. Gay men assume their experiences are being hijacked for straight women's sexual satisfaction, while ignoring the voices of their gay sisters, who's sexuality is seen as less valid because the cock is absent, temporary or simply not the focus. -
- deepad: The Cost of Engaging - The toll taken on those who choose to engage is not equitable. And it is not just. And while virtue might be its own reward, I find that I cannot just sit back and feel grateful for the people who engage, who step in to wrestle with problems that affect me, who fight for change that will benefit me.//What I feel is sad about the effect it has on them, and angry that it has to hurt them so much, and resentful that the distribution of trauma is so uneven. -
- zvi: [in podficmeta] Tell me something good -- Audible headers - What sorts of headings do you want the reader to read aloud in podfic? -
10:46 pm
fairestcat: Wednesday, January 20, 2010
- wistfuljane: Anger - I'm at the point where I have all this anger and nowhere for it to go so a post about anger as it relates to racism -
- duskpeterson: The m/m fiction versus gay fiction battle - So I'm a bit uncomfortable with this drawing of battle lines between genres and between genders and between sexual orientations, as though all of us belonged on one side or the other. -
- stoneself: closing for now on slash fail - harm to msm occurs in m/m.
the question is what to do after that.
- oconel: [in camelot_fleet] The first rule of slash... - I do want to challenge something: if we do want to watch same sex couples on TV [...], why are we so intent to "keep the slash secret"? -
- cleolinda: what is this I don't even - But the thing about fandom is, it can get to be an echo chamber--social communities comprised, by definition, only of people who like something. They reinforce each other's enthusiasm, they egg each other on, they try to top each other. There may be no one there to say, "You know, I really don't think that writing fan letters in your own blood is the done thing around here." -
10:56 pm
fairestcat: Wednesday, January 20, 2010
- wistfuljane: Anger - I'm at the point where I have all this anger and nowhere for it to go so a post about anger as it relates to racism -
- duskpeterson: The m/m fiction versus gay fiction battle - So I'm a bit uncomfortable with this drawing of battle lines between genres and between genders and between sexual orientations, as though all of us belonged on one side or the other. -
- stoneself: closing for now on slash fail - harm to msm occurs in m/m.
the question is what to do after that.
- oconel: [in camelot_fleet] The first rule of slash... - I do want to challenge something: if we do want to watch same sex couples on TV [...], why are we so intent to "keep the slash secret"? -
- cleolinda: what is this I don't even - But the thing about fandom is, it can get to be an echo chamber--social communities comprised, by definition, only of people who like something. They reinforce each other's enthusiasm, they egg each other on, they try to top each other. There may be no one there to say, "You know, I really don't think that writing fan letters in your own blood is the done thing around here." -
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oulangi.livejournal.com: Tuesday, January 19th, 2010