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January 16th, 2010
07:02 pm
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trouble: Saturday, January 16, 2010
- missyjack: because fourth walls are so five minutes ago - [response to Good fourth walls make good neighbours] -
- sparkindarkness: Some more poking of the m/m genre - How many times does it have to be said that just because you are a marginalised person doesn't mean you have a right to stomp all over other marginalised people? The fact that straight men have been exploiting and fetishising women since year dot does NOT justify women fetishising gay men. -
- bluflamingo: Oh God, are we doing "women writing m/m are just fetishizing gay male relationships' again already? - Not all of us write m/m, or f/f fic because we think it's hot. Some of us write it because in our world, people are gay, and since we're not going to see gay space explorers or gay marines or gay FBI agents on our tv screens any time soon, we have to write it ourselves, so we do. -
- kaz: Some words are rather unpleasant to read in this context... - Hi, I'd like more ace characters. Or scratch that, I'd like ace characters. At all. Period. Because they're kind of nothing short of vanishingly rare and representation would be nice, yes. But the way gay characters get written as desexualised is *also* problematic from an asexual standpoint, because the lack-of-sex is never addressed, never explicitly mentioned, there's no discussion about it or anything, no real signs of asexuality otherwise, it's sex simply being magically gone from the universe and asexual relationships don't work like that /either/. -
- ashteth: So, there's some big(ish) fandom bruhaha - what the hell is wrong with straight women liking m/m porn and/or romance fiction? Yes, it's just like les porn for mens. But, here's the shocker, there's nothing wrong with les porn for mens. There's also nothing wrong with fantasy, and with that fantasy being only vaguely related to reality. -
- ithiliana: "It's how I see relationships" - The Binary. The issue is often cast as straight women writing about gay men, and imply a "gay male" culture. In the cultural appropriation analogy, then, straight women (one culture) are appropriating the culture of group who are more discriminated against. However, this construction of the argument ignores class, ethnicity/race, other queers (lesbians, bisexual women), and people who do not identify as having a binary gender. -
- cesperanza: Match the Meta! - Match the Meta to the Issue At Hand! Play at home! Impress your friends! -
- stoneself: small things & intersectionality & internalized oppression - * gay men justifying some of the egregious sins of m/m? that's internalized oppression.//queer women justifying some of the egregious sins of m/m/? that's also internalized oppression. a different stripe, but it still is. -
- zvi: [in podficmeta] If music be the food of love, play on - I have to admit, most of the time when a podfic has music, I find it really annoying. However, there have been some cases when it was more effective than annoying, and I have tried to tease out what the differences were. -
- wickedwords: On the use of fan names - So while it does feel weird and awkward, if a fan has chosen to use their real life name as a fan name, it is not an outing situation when another fan uses it as well. -
- gwailowrite: What? Straight Women Shouldn't Write Gay Characters? Huh? - What I have witnessed in droves in m/m is that some people when called on stereotypical or offensive portrayals they have written get very defensive and decide they are going to DERAIL the conversation away from themselves and the possible mistakes they have made. Very often (too often) this is when that person will start shouting "You are telling me that I shouldn't write gay characters." -
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missyjack: because fourth walls are so five minutes ago - [response to Good fourth walls make good neighbours] -
- sparkindarkness: Some more poking of the m/m genre - How many times does it have to be said that just because you are a marginalised person doesn't mean you have a right to stomp all over other marginalised people? The fact that straight men have been exploiting and fetishising women since year dot does NOT justify women fetishising gay men. -
- bluflamingo: Oh God, are we doing "women writing m/m are just fetishizing gay male relationships' again already? - Not all of us write m/m, or f/f fic because we think it's hot. Some of us write it because in our world, people are gay, and since we're not going to see gay space explorers or gay marines or gay FBI agents on our tv screens any time soon, we have to write it ourselves, so we do. -
- kaz: Some words are rather unpleasant to read in this context... - Hi, I'd like more ace characters. Or scratch that, I'd like ace characters. At all. Period. Because they're kind of nothing short of vanishingly rare and representation would be nice, yes. But the way gay characters get written as desexualised is *also* problematic from an asexual standpoint, because the lack-of-sex is never addressed, never explicitly mentioned, there's no discussion about it or anything, no real signs of asexuality otherwise, it's sex simply being magically gone from the universe and asexual relationships don't work like that /either/. -
- ashteth: So, there's some big(ish) fandom bruhaha - what the hell is wrong with straight women liking m/m porn and/or romance fiction? Yes, it's just like les porn for mens. But, here's the shocker, there's nothing wrong with les porn for mens. There's also nothing wrong with fantasy, and with that fantasy being only vaguely related to reality. -
- ithiliana: "It's how I see relationships" - The Binary. The issue is often cast as straight women writing about gay men, and imply a "gay male" culture. In the cultural appropriation analogy, then, straight women (one culture) are appropriating the culture of group who are more discriminated against. However, this construction of the argument ignores class, ethnicity/race, other queers (lesbians, bisexual women), and people who do not identify as having a binary gender. -
- cesperanza: Match the Meta! - Match the Meta to the Issue At Hand! Play at home! Impress your friends! -
- stoneself: small things & intersectionality & internalized oppression - * gay men justifying some of the egregious sins of m/m? that's internalized oppression.//queer women justifying some of the egregious sins of m/m/? that's also internalized oppression. a different stripe, but it still is. -
- zvi: [in podficmeta] If music be the food of love, play on - I have to admit, most of the time when a podfic has music, I find it really annoying. However, there have been some cases when it was more effective than annoying, and I have tried to tease out what the differences were. -
- wickedwords: On the use of fan names - So while it does feel weird and awkward, if a fan has chosen to use their real life name as a fan name, it is not an outing situation when another fan uses it as well. -
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gwailowrite: What? Straight Women Shouldn't Write Gay Characters? Huh? - What I have witnessed in droves in m/m is that some people when called on stereotypical or offensive portrayals they have written get very defensive and decide they are going to DERAIL the conversation away from themselves and the possible mistakes they have made. Very often (too often) this is when that person will start shouting "You are telling me that I shouldn't write gay characters." -
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