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June 23rd, 2009
12:21 am
- zvi: Warnings - The thing about this is, I am perfectly okay with people needing warnings to decide whether or not to read a story. And I am okay with them deciding that if they don't get a warning, then they won't read a story. I don't understand why they insist that all stories have warnings. If there is no warning on the story, then you do not have information on whether or not something triggering is in the story. Why is that hard to grasp? -
- flourish: Thinking about triggering - I don't like the thought that my stories would put someone into great emotional distress. I may seek to evoke certain moods, but I never seek to evoke that kind of deep emotional pain, and I think that's probably true for 99% of authors. And, yeah, adding warnings is something small that I can do that will make life a whole lot better for some people, and I think that's my obligation - or at the very least, it's my obligation to make it crystal clear that my story is "read at your own risk". -
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impertinence: Sexual Assault, Triggering, and Warnings: An Essay - survivors are not asking for extensive warnings on their rare and/or particularly specialized squicks. Survivors are asking that authors not hurt them even further by placing them in danger of being thrown back to such harmful mindsets. Survivors are asking that they be given a tool that helps them choose their fandom space and continue to heal, rather than have the same wounds reopened. And most importantly, survivors are asking for something that they did not have at the time of the assault(s): the power to say no. The power to not be made helpless and afraid.
Warning: Very explicit discussion of sexual assault and the nature, anatomy, cause & effect of triggers. Is itself triggery.
- fluterbev: Meta: The Rules of Fandom (Part 1) - So now, without further ado, I present to you the Rules of Fandom. -
12:23 am
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acari: Monday, June 22, 2009
- zvi: Warnings - The thing about this is, I am perfectly okay with people needing warnings to decide whether or not to read a story. And I am okay with them deciding that if they don't get a warning, then they won't read a story. I don't understand why they insist that all stories have warnings. If there is no warning on the story, then you do not have information on whether or not something triggering is in the story. Why is that hard to grasp? -
- flourish: Thinking about triggering - I don't like the thought that my stories would put someone into great emotional distress. I may seek to evoke certain moods, but I never seek to evoke that kind of deep emotional pain, and I think that's probably true for 99% of authors. And, yeah, adding warnings is something small that I can do that will make life a whole lot better for some people, and I think that's my obligation - or at the very least, it's my obligation to make it crystal clear that my story is "read at your own risk". -
- impertinence: Sexual Assault, Triggering, and Warnings: An Essay - survivors are not asking for extensive warnings on their rare and/or particularly specialized squicks. Survivors are asking that authors not hurt them even further by placing them in danger of being thrown back to such harmful mindsets. Survivors are asking that they be given a tool that helps them choose their fandom space and continue to heal, rather than have the same wounds reopened. And most importantly, survivors are asking for something that they did not have at the time of the assault(s): the power to say no. The power to not be made helpless and afraid.
Warning: Very explicit discussion of sexual assault and the nature, anatomy, cause & effect of triggers. Is itself triggery.
- fluterbev: Meta: The Rules of Fandom (Part 1) - So now, without further ado, I present to you the Rules of Fandom. -
04:44 pm
- ix_tab: Triggers, warnings and such - We don’t have a responsibility to invisible strangers, all of them wagging their disapproving fingers at us. We have a responsibility to our friends and our friends friends that we try to make it that what is supposed to be fun and enjoyment doesn’t harm them. -
- iamsab: spring is for ficathons - When I remix, I read through and try to isolate what the original author hung the story on, the punchline or the key elements or the perspective or whatever, and then have to make the decision as to whether my remix is going to keep that nucleus or not. -
- swan_tower: awesomeness and fair use - Collage can qualify as transformative work, so far as I’m aware; you can cut up and re-use copyrighted material in order to make a larger work. Montages are the same thing, in video. So if you put together a montage which serves a distinct purpose, one not identical to that of the original material, then yes, I think it should count as fair use. -
- boosette: How To Make Text Disappear With HTML. - What I am going to show you all how to do is the white-out warning [...] -
- nextian: by the way, the brothers bloom rocked - I have also heard a lot of people say: but when we do not warn, we are not acting in bad faith. I am getting really sick of the phrases good and bad faith. I am not really sure what they mean. Of course you’re not intentionally setting out to hurt someone. If there is one thing fandom should have picked up on by now, it is that intention really isn’t everything. -
- darkrose: Sometimes, the obvious isn’t. - Two things bother me most about the warnings discussion.//The first is the assumption that there are only two kinds of authors: those who always warn, and those who never warn. If you always warn for some things, but fail to warn for something that turns out to be a trigger for someone, you are automatically lumped in with the “never warn” group, and labeled selfish and thoughtless for not warning. -
- airgiodslv: Community - We are a community of minorities, of all colors and sexual orientations and gender identities and religions. We have a responsibility, to ourselves and to each other, to do no harm. Part of what this means is that just as we inform each other, we look out for each other. Part of what being in this community means is that every person in it has a right to feel safe. -
- wistfuljane: I am sorry - Following the initial incident that sparked the recent Bandom warnings debate (round #2), a significant number of fans blamed readers for asking for warnings. -
- phoebe_zeitgeist: I suppose it’s not suicide until I hit ‘post.’ - The problem isn’t so much with the idea that warning for rape will lead to warning for haircuts, so much as it is that a norm of loud upfront warnings for potentially harmful ideas in written material in general is a troubling thing to contemplate. -
- reflectedeve: the other part of it’s for you - Obviously, we will never be able to enforce a warnings standard on fandom. Standards and awareness vary widely, and some people just don’t care. This seems to me a pretty poor reason not to ask for that standard, as much as possible, and it certainly is no justification for trying to SHUT SURVIVORS DOWN. -
- were_lemur: Thinky Thoughts: Rape vs “Non-Con” - Is a fic that is described as non-con different, somehow, that one which is described as rape? Perhaps non-con has some characteristic (the victim secretly enjoys it? and/or falls in love with the perpetrator?) that makes it a specific, separate genre? Could non-con be rape as self-aware kink, as opposed to treating it as a serious matter? -
- untappedbeauty: On warnings and analogies - I genuinely wish that those arguing against warnings on fic would stop using analogies. Analogies are a GREAT way of making light of an issue that doesn’t deserve to be made light of. They’re a great way of derailing an argument with something that IS NOT COMPARABLE to the issue at hand. -
- thingswithwings: again? we’re having this debate again? - how many times do we have to have the warnings debate before we all stop arguing for our privilege to intentionally hurt people? -
04:50 pm
oula: Tuesday, June 23rd, 2009
- ix_tab: Triggers, warnings and such - We don’t have a responsibility to invisible strangers, all of them wagging their disapproving fingers at us. We have a responsibility to our friends and our friends friends that we try to make it that what is supposed to be fun and enjoyment doesn’t harm them. -
- iamsab: spring is for ficathons - When I remix, I read through and try to isolate what the original author hung the story on, the punchline or the key elements or the perspective or whatever, and then have to make the decision as to whether my remix is going to keep that nucleus or not. -
- swan_tower: awesomeness and fair use - Collage can qualify as transformative work, so far as I’m aware; you can cut up and re-use copyrighted material in order to make a larger work. Montages are the same thing, in video. So if you put together a montage which serves a distinct purpose, one not identical to that of the original material, then yes, I think it should count as fair use. -
- boosette: How To Make Text Disappear With HTML. - What I am going to show you all how to do is the white-out warning [...] -
- nextian: by the way, the brothers bloom rocked - I have also heard a lot of people say: but when we do not warn, we are not acting in bad faith. I am getting really sick of the phrases good and bad faith. I am not really sure what they mean. Of course you’re not intentionally setting out to hurt someone. If there is one thing fandom should have picked up on by now, it is that intention really isn’t everything. -
- darkrose: Sometimes, the obvious isn’t. - Two things bother me most about the warnings discussion.//The first is the assumption that there are only two kinds of authors: those who always warn, and those who never warn. If you always warn for some things, but fail to warn for something that turns out to be a trigger for someone, you are automatically lumped in with the “never warn” group, and labeled selfish and thoughtless for not warning. -
- airgiodslv: Community - We are a community of minorities, of all colors and sexual orientations and gender identities and religions. We have a responsibility, to ourselves and to each other, to do no harm. Part of what this means is that just as we inform each other, we look out for each other. Part of what being in this community means is that every person in it has a right to feel safe. -
- wistfuljane: I am sorry - Following the initial incident that sparked the recent Bandom warnings debate (round #2), a significant number of fans blamed readers for asking for warnings. -
- phoebe_zeitgeist: I suppose it’s not suicide until I hit ‘post.’ - The problem isn’t so much with the idea that warning for rape will lead to warning for haircuts, so much as it is that a norm of loud upfront warnings for potentially harmful ideas in written material in general is a troubling thing to contemplate. -
- reflectedeve: the other part of it’s for you - Obviously, we will never be able to enforce a warnings standard on fandom. Standards and awareness vary widely, and some people just don’t care. This seems to me a pretty poor reason not to ask for that standard, as much as possible, and it certainly is no justification for trying to SHUT SURVIVORS DOWN. -
- were_lemur: Thinky Thoughts: Rape vs “Non-Con” - Is a fic that is described as non-con different, somehow, that one which is described as rape? Perhaps non-con has some characteristic (the victim secretly enjoys it? and/or falls in love with the perpetrator?) that makes it a specific, separate genre? Could non-con be rape as self-aware kink, as opposed to treating it as a serious matter? -
- untappedbeauty: On warnings and analogies - I genuinely wish that those arguing against warnings on fic would stop using analogies. Analogies are a GREAT way of making light of an issue that doesn’t deserve to be made light of. They’re a great way of derailing an argument with something that IS NOT COMPARABLE to the issue at hand. -
- thingswithwings: again? we’re having this debate again? - how many times do we have to have the warnings debate before we all stop arguing for our privilege to intentionally hurt people? -
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acari.livejournal.com: Monday, June 22, 2009