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dodyskin.livejournal.com: Sunday

ajhalluk 2005-06-25: ajhalluk:: It seems to me that an argument which essentially says what an author ought to think about the creation of fanfic based on their work is presumptuous, to say the least, and doomed to fail in any event .

cirrussundog 2005-06-25: cirrussundog:[no subject]: Recently, I chimed in on an off-shoot discussion of Robin Hobb's critique of fan-fiction. I also read many other essays, pro and con, about fanfiction elsewhere. All of the works were interesting, but I kept getting the feeling that there was some underlying assumption that was slowing my understanding of the priorities and passions of the opponents of fan-fiction. Experience told me my feeling probably meant that I had an unexamined assumption, too.

thelastgoodname 2005-06-25: thelastgoodname: On owies and orgasms: So then I came across a post here and the follow-up here about ugly, and I thought: what in the world is beauty, anyway? Because beauty and its opposite (which I'm not going to define, because I don't know what it might be) are intimate, personal experiences. We literally cannot think other people's experience of pleasure or pain.

rahirah 2005-06-25: rahirah: It's a bad sign when you wake up plagued by literary theori: I don't have the academic background to make a convincing case for or against this, but occurred to me this morning that the idea that fan fiction is an inherently bad or inferior form of literature depends not only upon the modern system of copyright, but upon the emergence of the modern psychological novel as the dominant form of literature.

sistermagpie 2005-06-25: sistermagpie: Confessions of a non-fanfic writer: So the fanfic debate is raging again, and the latest entry is this post from Robin Hobb. Hobb admits right at the beginning that she is less than rational about the subject, but in her essay, as well as many of the anti-fanfic comments on Lee Goldberg's, I'm struck by the stream of analogies that completely don't work.

alixtii 2005-06-25: alixtii: Meta: Canon, the text, and the AU: babyofthegroup posted recently about something I've been thinking about for a long time. Namely: what makes an AU? Now, I know that this basically is the same as asking what does or doesn't count as canon, and that in some circles this a big part of the slash wars, and is used in an excessively proscriptive fashion.

isiscolo 2005-06-26: isiscolo: the kernel of truth: I agree with most of the points made by various people; I mean, I'm a fanfic writer, I don't believe fanfic is TEH EVOL. But given that, I also think that Hobb has a legitimate point hidden away under the vitriol of: Fan fiction allows the writer to pretend to be creating a story, while using someone else’s world, characters, and plot.

shaychana 2005-06-27: shaychana: fanfic, fandom, friendship: To use a building analogy, writing fanfic is the honing and exploitation of a talent for controlled demolition and renovation more so than one for construction. Canon-soundness is not so much writing talent as paying attention to canonical detail and being sensitive in interpreting canon, while still having the kind of mind that squints at canon upside down and questions the blank spaces, and then being careful when writing. Writing talent helps you write a good story, and practicing and learning from mistakes improve writing.

ashkitty 2005-06-25: ashkitty: fanfic: authorial intent, identity theft, and by the way?: You are a writer when you are writing, and it doesn't matter if you're writing an original story, a fanfic, an essay, song lyrics, a comic strip, or a blurb for the back of a cereal box. Neil Gaiman called fanfiction "training wheels", and while I don't quite agree with that, because I think fanfic is a separate and individual art form, rather than just a practise ground for aspiring novelists, I do think he was right about the other thing he said then, which is basically what I said above: writing anything will help you become better.

amanuensis1 2005-06-26: amanuensis1: Fanfiction is not thoughtcrime.: Robin Hobb begins her rant against fanfiction by stating, "I am not rational on the topic of fan fiction." And that was what immediately defused my anger, when I actually bothered to go look at the rant, rather than just noting the quoted bits to be found about my friendslist. She admits it: when she sees other people tinkering about with her babies, she goes bonkers. That's okay. That's her right.

Fandom Specific

paratti 2005-06-25: paratti: Happiness is a cool breeze: I've been following the authors/fanfic debate with interest and I've been pondering something Jane Espenson said at the Halloween Fic Panel, that what the ME writers were doing was essentially writing fanfic of Joss. Ok, on a snark based response, if you think of the ME writers as ficcers, it explains a lot . You have Joss, with much talent, much acclaim and much success and belief in his own ability - the uber BNF of his own 'verse. But a writer whose early success owes an enormous amount to his beta reader, David Greenwalt,

nostalgia_lj 2005-06-26: nostalgia_lj:[DR WHO]: liminalliz did a pictorial guide to 'Firefly'. And because I am bored I make a guide to the new Doctor Who, to tempt you in tempting ways with pretty pictures of pretty people. Screencaps be from Stakes & Stones.

shadowkat67 2005-06-26: shadowkat67: BTVS redux: It was something said offhand in a recent fanfic discussion on livejournal - about how kinky it was to subvert the canonical Buffy/Spike relationship so that Spike was in control and Buffy was submissive. This threw me for a loop. How is this kinky, I thought? First off in about 99% of the romances and novels published in our entire history, the male is the one in control and the female is the submissive party - he's stronger than she is.

twinkledru 2005-06-25: twinkledru: In which I ramble, having come to a sudden Joss revelation: Also, on reading some meta? I've finally figured out what it was that bugged me about Xander -- namely, that Xander never gets called on his shit. None of these characters is perfect, not a one. That's what makes them so fascinating. And when they all start to go too far, when they all make stupid mistakes? Someone -- sometimes Xander himself -- is there to call them on it. Something will happen that will serve as a wake-up call for them.

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